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Re: Hi Viz plod gets space

26 July 2015 - 5:03pm
Where did you buy that from? I'm semi considering one.

Are they legal - as in, you won't get 'done' for impersonating a police officer?

Re: Pedestrians' view of bells ?

26 July 2015 - 4:59pm
I use a section of route 4 of the NCN on a regular basis here in south Wales (Bedwas to Machen). I fitted a little 'ping' type bell that I had in the spare parts box because of the large number of pedestrians on the path. I used to clack my brake levers before I fitted the bell (Shimano XT flat bar levers from 1992).

I mostly have had a positive response to the bell, with people usually thanking me for alerting them to my presence. However when the weather is warm and sunny, the path can be full of families from the local estate. They seem to follow the same format - man and woman, man with top off, both with lots of tattoos. At least two kids, one in a push chair and the other(s) running around chasing the dog that is off the lead. Dog is usually a terrier of some kind.

When approaching these people from behind, the woman upon hearing the bell usually turns around first, then seeing it's a bike turns back around and they all continue to block the path! Luckily there is a flat grass area either side of the path so I just pass them on that.

When walking down the path myself a lot of bikes pass me at speed without any warning, no bell, no shout, no clacking of the brake levers, nothing - very annoying to say the least and makes me jump out of my skin every time. I think some kind of alert is essential and above all courteous.

Re: Is the entire field of view blocked for an HGV?

26 July 2015 - 4:50pm
maxcherry wrote:WTH




Is he telling me that the driver was supposed to crush the bike!? Is that part of the driving course?

MUPPETS

I can only say I'm glad he is a 'former logistics safety director' I'd hate to think anyone like that was a safety director anywhere, and I'm sure the HSE would be interested in the logical outcome of his opinions - that flattening the motorcyclist and killing him would have been perfectly in order if he hadn't got out of the way in time.

Re: Is the entire field of view blocked for an HGV?

26 July 2015 - 4:45pm
Mark1978 wrote:Is this the new "the sun was in my eyes so it's not my fault". "I couldn't see because of the blind spot so it's not my fault"

It's like not being able to see where you're going but plowing on regardless is acceptable now?

Not to me.
It's like having your eyes closed and firing a gun and then saying it wasn't your fault you shot someone because you 'didn't see them'.

Re: Is the entire field of view blocked for an HGV?

26 July 2015 - 4:43pm
I repeat:
You should only complete a move if you can see that it is clear. That's quite different to not being able to see that there is someone there.

If your van/lorry/car construction means you can't see the full picture of where you are going, then you have to get someone to help you, or go very slowly and change your position repeatedly so you darn well can see it is clear.

Re: Newbie to Road

26 July 2015 - 4:37pm
Try reading Cyclecraft by John Franklin if you aren't used to cycling on roads. That's the classic on how to do it safely.
All the best.

Hi Viz plod gets space

26 July 2015 - 3:57pm
So it's the first time I've worn my nerdy Hi-Viz Copper look-a-like tabard and Errrmm, strangely it's the first time I've got space on the road. 15 miles of bike riding today in the grey and wet and not one car shaved past me which is the first time ever. (normally I'd have one or 2 near death experiences within that distance)
Coincidence ? I think not !


I know i look like a nerd but at least this nerd lives to fight another day ! Lol !

Re: Newbie to Road

26 July 2015 - 2:13pm
Do you feel safe when walking on the pavement?

You're slightly safer cycling on the road... (comparison per mile)

Newbie to Road

26 July 2015 - 2:12pm
I've been MTB riding for 10 years but fancied trying a Road Sportive Event & a bit of Touring, Cycle Routes etc. I bought a Giant Revolt this is a good allrounder for what I'm interested in doing,entered my first event yesterday 100mile Sportive, felt fairly safe as there are plenty of other riders, but the question is how safe am i on the roads or should i just stick to MTB ?

Re: Pedestrians' view of bells ?

26 July 2015 - 1:37pm
mjr wrote:brynpoeth wrote:The German cycling club has a solution for such conflicts, that cyclists should use the roads instead so that we have conflicts with truckers (terrorists) instead of walkers (people).
Is that on the ADFC website?*

But FWIW I think there's no shortage of CTC members who will happily tell you that as soon as he wants to exceed walking pace, little Johnny should ride on the A1 instead of the adjacent cycleway.


* the statement that cyclists should use the road "to avoid confilcts with pedestrians" was made by with Frau Cibulski of the ADFC in an interview published in the Luebecker Nachrichten.

Re: Motorists' visibility mark II

26 July 2015 - 9:27am
Phil Fouracre wrote:Funny, not really given it much thought, I've always done it wherever I park, just because it makes sense, and much easier to get out in traffic. Upside was always, easier to get the shopping out of the boot! Best parking I see on a regular basis is at the local tip, where they have a herringbone setup. Seen people manoeuvre 135 degrees, with difficulty, to park, then unload rubbish from boot and carry it around the car, then repeat in reverse. Apparently it provides endless entertainment for the staff!
So they turn 135 degrees to park forward?!

Then have to perform magic to get out - after scraping their rubbish past the car?!

That's hilarious, youtube would love it...

Although I suppose it might e sensible for some cars

Re: Car Width over the ages

25 July 2015 - 10:56pm
My comment was rather tongue in cheek, but I think it's more significant than you are crediting.

It's not so much the regular overtakes, regular traffic conditions etc., of course there is plenty of room in that context, but two cars of similar size coming upon each other around a bend with a cyclist in the mix, and that foot could make a very significant difference, given the instinct to avoid the big object you're about to hit.

...and I know it shouldn't happen, but we know it does.

Re: Car Width over the ages

25 July 2015 - 9:58pm
Bonefishblues wrote:Tonyf33 wrote:BigFoz wrote:Here's an example: Mk1 next to latest version (mk 6?) VW Golf - newer one is significantly bigger.
http://www.newspress.co.uk/downloads/me ... 207_01.JPG
still only 15.8cm wider (1628-1786mm)...measure that between your hands, that makes jack all difference in the real world on any road.
It does if you get clattered by a wing mirror of a Mk7 just after a Mk1 has passed you, presumably.
In the sense it shouldn't be enough of a difference to be an excuse, being clattered by a MK7 is down to driver attitude/awareness, nothing more,nothing less. The width of your vehicle is NEVER an excuse to be struck, forced off or be intimidated by.

Re: very very clever?!? Glasgow bus stop built in cycle lane

25 July 2015 - 9:09pm
mercalia wrote:MikeF wrote:But here in Glasgow the cycle lane has now been re routed around the back of the bus shelter http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-33655667

BUT by taking away nearly all of the pedestrian space! If I were a pedestrian there I would now be complaining.
So much for Commonwealth Games regeneration money being wisely spent!

why oh why not put the shelter way back from the road - the bus drivers I suppose dont need to be so wide awake to see if any one wants to get one?In the example in my post that doesn't solve the problem. If the bus shelter is moved back passengers boarding or alighting from the bus will have to cross the cycle lane. If there are many this will block the cycle lane and be a hazard. Also moving the bus shelter back will block the pavement for pedestrians.

The layout needs a complete redesign, but of course the money's already been spent so a paint job is all that can be afforded.

Re: very very clever?!? Glasgow bus stop built in cycle lane

25 July 2015 - 8:58pm
old_windbag wrote:UPDATE: the lump in the road looks like one of these below:-

http://en.zicla.com/public/img/140121_separador-carril-bic-plastico-reciclado.jpeg

quite big too.

They're called Armadillos and seem to be the new fashion in segregation on-the-cheap, not that they survive being hit by a car tyre too well. Some of them are now being protected by bollards which seems to defeat the object. https://departmentfortransport.wordpres ... structure/

Bike lanes going behind bus stops seems to be TRL's latest cunning plan. http://www.trl.co.uk/solutions/sustaina ... op-bypass/

Re: Car Width over the ages

25 July 2015 - 8:26pm
BigFoz wrote:Here's an example: Mk1 next to latest version (mk 6?) VW Golf - newer one is significantly bigger.
http://www.newspress.co.uk/downloads/me ... 207_01.JPG

I just twigged - you have to click on the link to see both cars...

I wonder how much of the extra width is down to the more 'modern' headlamp design? My current car is not a VW, but it has a headlamp arrangement almost identical to that of the car on the right - i.e. the modern twin reflectors design instead of the older single round reflector. So room has got to be found for these wider lamps somehow - you still need space for the radiator, so increase the overall body width?

Perhaps someone can explain to me the new design's advantage over the old. What I can say is, I'm baffled as to where to stick the deflectors for Continental driving. There don't appear to be any guidelines... (literally).

Re: very very clever?!? Glasgow bus stop built in cycle lane

25 July 2015 - 7:27pm
Still not a patch on Fareham's "Cycle in" Tesco!

Re: very very clever?!? Glasgow bus stop built in cycle lane

25 July 2015 - 7:15pm
MikeF wrote:But here in Glasgow the cycle lane has now been re routed around the back of the bus shelter http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-33655667

BUT by taking away nearly all of the pedestrian space! If I were a pedestrian there I would now be complaining.
So much for Commonwealth Games regeneration money being wisely spent!

why oh why not put the shelter way back from the road - the bus drivers I suppose dont need to be so wide awake to see if any one wants to get one?

Re: Motorists' visibility mark II

25 July 2015 - 4:54pm
Not sure what all the fuss about which way round is about. If you reverse out you have to carefully stick your tail out until you can see. If you've reversed in you have to carefully stick your nose out until you can see. Neither seems any better than the other to me.

What I do dislike when you have to drive or reverse out in that situation is that even if you edge out very slowly, cars still try and go past even though they can see what you are trying to do. Pedestrians tend to wait but stand right next to you blocking your view even more.

Re: Motorists' visibility mark II

25 July 2015 - 3:32pm
The idea probably came from this:

I remember a guy who worked on the Bluebell Railway telling me some years ago, they would love to install one of these, but they didn't have the space or the planning permission. A lot of their locos had to run back-to-front half the time, because there was nowhere to turn them round. I don't know if this is still the case.

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