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Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

26 August 2015 - 10:52am
reohn2 wrote:irc wrote:
Lessons for the cyclist? At the point she starts saying " please don't try and knock me off" the ped still has both hands in his pockets.
reohn2 wrote:Are you sure about that,his left hand is his right hand is obscured by his body.


So it isn't swinging like it would if he was walking. It's either in his pocket or hooked in his rucsac. He isn't doing anything with his hands to indicate he is intending to knock her off. She has correctly read from his body language that he wasn't ceding priority to her. I've had peds do the same thing to me when I've been in a car.

I've no idea what she has donewith her hands but whatever it was it has annoyed him. Maybe just passing very close in front of him was enough. Totla over reaction by him of course as he had invited the close pass.

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

26 August 2015 - 9:25am
kuba wrote:Yep, just like victim-blaiming. Now can you answer my questions?
This question?
kuba wrote:kwackers wrote:If I were that cyclist tbh once I'd calmed down I'd have put it down to experience and binned the video but I suspect they think their cycling is above reproach.

And what is that suspicion based on?
It's based on the fact they chose to publish the video. As I said, if that were me I'd have put it down to experience. (Mind you, I'm not female so perhaps that makes a difference).
kuba wrote:P.S. Unlike crossing a junction on a green light, close overtakes are not allowed by the Highway Code. The parallel you're trying to make is bizarre.
Bizarre? In what sense?
Close overtakes aren't actually forbidden by the highway code - as evidenced by the sheer volume of posts on here trying to determine what constitutes a close overtake. One mans close overtake is another's "how wide is that bike?"...

I refer you back to my original post which points out that the first point in the highway code says that don't have a right of way and that you must take action to avoid an accident even if it means giving up precedence. (And this is true regardless of the colour of the light, despite most folks opinions to the contrary).

In that respect a pedestrian in the carriageway can be considered a hazard and like most hazards the best response is to slow down and give way to them. You have absolutely no way of knowing what that pedestrian will do (as evidenced by the outcome!), if they decide to bolt for the other side could she have stopped? If they started to run to the other side and she decided to swerve around the back of them only to have them change their mind and run back could she have stopped?
The safest option is simply to allow the pedestrian to cross, anything else is a risk and I guess like most risks most of the time there isn't likely to be an issue. But 'accidents' are simply a result of risks taken when the assumptions you made don't pan out.

Re: Parked cars blocking shared use path

26 August 2015 - 8:56am
Cunobelin wrote:No such thing as a compulsory path.....


The mandatory in "mandatory path" refers to motor vehicles, not cyclists...

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

26 August 2015 - 8:36am
kwackers wrote:Sounds exactly like the response you get from motorists

Yep, just like victim-blaiming. Now can you answer my questions?

P.S. Unlike crossing a junction on a green light, close overtakes are not allowed by the Highway Code. The parallel you're trying to make is bizarre.

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

26 August 2015 - 8:20am
kuba wrote:Did she fail to avoid an accident?
Sounds exactly like the response you get from motorists when complaining about close passes: "did I hit you? No, so f off".
Well done.

Re: Parked cars blocking shared use path

26 August 2015 - 6:27am
No such thing as a compulsory path.....

Re: Insect attack on the move!

26 August 2015 - 12:33am
rjb wrote: It's become an infamous ride now.
Rat run?

And one of my work colleagues startled a sheep on a high bank which then lost its footing and fell on top of him putting him in hospital for a few days with concussion and broken bones.

I had a mate who wrote off a very nice Triumph Bonneville and a good sheep when it decided to cross a mountain road at the wrong time.It wasn't very nice to watch either from about 100m behind him at 60mph .
Luckily he wasn't seriously injured.
The sheep expired on impact .

Re: Parked cars blocking shared use path

26 August 2015 - 12:32am
Mark, I agree. In my opinion it is preferable, and some ways safer to pass this point on the road. Except that the traffic issuing forth when the lights change more or less drag race each other off the line in order to get to the 'gap' first as the road narrows back to one lane. Safest is to minimise the speed differential and attempt to claim primary position. On my own I usually sprint and on a good day (ie windy) be doing 30 when I pass the bollards. With my girls in the trailer it's a rather different matter! On the way home today there were two cars and a van parked up, which despite being theirs, had allegedly been left by customers and no keys to be had, so no chance of moving them. In the end I rode through the forecourt and squeezed through the last gap. Plotting a letter to head office next.....

Re: Insect attack on the move!

25 August 2015 - 11:53pm
I had the classic wasp in the helmet vent. B@stard stung me 5 times. I've been stung before and that felt like, well, a sting. This time it genuinely felt like I had been hit on the forehead with a baseball bat.

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

25 August 2015 - 10:55pm
kwackers wrote:But to my mind the first issue is more interesting in particularly what it means to our attitudes on the road.
So there's a person in the carriageway. Doesn't matter whether they should be there or not, whether they crossed on red or teleported in. They're fairly obviously there, they're fairly obviously crossing and at that point they've been crossing long enough for approaching traffic to make the decision to back off a little and let them cross.
The very first thing the highway code says is you have to avoid accidents, not that you should insist on your 'right of way'. Avoiding accidents in this instance means allowing someone on the carriageway to vacate it even if it means slowing slightly.
To me this one incidence is part of the bigger picture of how we see things in this country with the old 'might is right' attitude. If I'm bigger or faster I have right of way, if you're in my way rather than yield I'll simply bully my way through.
If I were that cyclist tbh once I'd calmed down I'd have put it down to experience and binned the video but I suspect they think their cycling is above reproach.
I pretty much agree but,and it's a big one.
Right at the beginning we hear the cyclist say "please don't try and knock me off" and an response from the pedestrian which isn't discernible(by which time he's out of shot).
Why would she say that?
Could it be that she saw him raising his hand in an effort to push her off ?
Could it be she tried to fend him off?
This could be the link to the to second incident that he was so incensed by her defending herself that he was hell bent on getting his own back.
Feeling he'd been wronged firstly by her not stopping for him and then when(if) he tried to pusher(off/out of his way)she responded,either by a gesticulation or by merely trying to protect herself.
He then looses it,chases her down,determined to do her some damage.
Whilst I'll be the first to agree we live in an unnecessarily aggresive society,at no time in the video does she sound aggressive nor would I term her riding as aggressive.
Which is more than can be said for him and,call me old fashioned if you will ,but especially with her being a woman and an easy target for his aggression.
All because he couldn't cross the road when he wanted to.

Edited for typos

Re: Shoreham air crash

25 August 2015 - 10:13pm
If the incident had ended up with the aircraft in a field and nobody else killed, do you think they would have grounded the Hunters? This is why it is a knee jerk reaction. They are reacting to the fatalities rather than the incident itself.

Re: The perils ...

25 August 2015 - 10:10pm
I reckon!

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

25 August 2015 - 9:47pm
These women want equality. Well, if that had been a man pushed off a bike in Whitechapel like in that video the response from the Stasi would have been in the 'lame' category.

Re: The perils ...

25 August 2015 - 9:31pm
mig welding no doubt.

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

25 August 2015 - 9:31pm
kwackers wrote:The very first thing the highway code says is you have to avoid accidents, not that you should insist on your 'right of way'. Avoiding accidents in this instance means allowing someone on the carriageway to vacate it even if it means slowing slightly.

Did she fail to avoid an accident? The only 'accident' in the video is her being pushed onto the road.

kwackers wrote:If I were that cyclist tbh once I'd calmed down I'd have put it down to experience and binned the video but I suspect they think their cycling is above reproach.

And what is that suspicion based on?

Re: The perils ...

25 August 2015 - 9:22pm
mig wrote:what's the problem with fixed? i ask as i love it so am wondering what on earth is wrong with me!?

you'll be welding next, then...

that might be what did it for me.....

cheers

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

25 August 2015 - 9:19pm
there is a picture of him in the Evening Standard this evening. The video doesnt really get him? He is an ugly so and so.

Re: The perils ...

25 August 2015 - 8:31pm
what's the problem with fixed? i ask as i love it so am wondering what on earth is wrong with me!?

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

25 August 2015 - 8:30pm
reohn2 wrote:Perhaps the cyclist could've stopped and let him cross but he looks like it wouldn't have hurt him to wait.
Also why would the cyclist give him the finger in the first place?
Could it have been in response to his abuse toward her for not stopping?
If so with 20/20 hindsight it's a mistake on her part but does it warrant what followed?
I think there are two issues. The second is obviously assault and I think we're pretty much agreed he deserves what's coming to him.

But to my mind the first issue is more interesting in particularly what it means to our attitudes on the road.
So there's a person in the carriageway. Doesn't matter whether they should be there or not, whether they crossed on red or teleported in. They're fairly obviously there, they're fairly obviously crossing and at that point they've been crossing long enough for approaching traffic to make the decision to back off a little and let them cross.
The very first thing the highway code says is you have to avoid accidents, not that you should insist on your 'right of way'. Avoiding accidents in this instance means allowing someone on the carriageway to vacate it even if it means slowing slightly.
To me this one incidence is part of the bigger picture of how we see things in this country with the old 'might is right' attitude. If I'm bigger or faster I have right of way, if you're in my way rather than yield I'll simply bully my way through.
If I were that cyclist tbh once I'd calmed down I'd have put it down to experience and binned the video but I suspect they think their cycling is above reproach.

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

25 August 2015 - 7:20pm
Mick F wrote:This is why the prisons are overcrowded.
Maybe we should bring back Transportation and send them somewhere.

Yep,send 'em all to Cornwall

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