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Re: Police Thugs

22 September 2014 - 6:31pm
Surely it would be easier and cheaper for the CTC to get that guidance from a solicitor? Its all held in the standard legal texts such as Calverts or Blackstones, it'd be simple for a solicitor to guide them to the relevant pages.

Re: Police Thugs

22 September 2014 - 6:21pm
thirdcrank wrote:Flinders wrote:It seems to me that it is high time the CTC approached the police officially and got some guidance. ...

Even I find the idea of approaching the police for guidance over this a bit strange.

I've been trying - especially in the other thread I started - to get some sort of measure about how often this type of thing happens and the number of cases quoted seems small; nobody else has reported being physically stopped by the police, rather than signalled to stop, so that they might be given road safety advice or whatever.

Quite a lot of advice has been given in this thread to the OP; people are free to make up their own mind about which advice they follow, of course, but some choices must surely affect the outcome. eg If medical evidence is withheld in an allegation of assault, it's unlikely to go very far.

It isn't as strange as all that, I hope.
What I'd be asking for was clarification of the law. What can you be stopped for? What may an officer ask you to do? What can they demand you do? What information are you obliged to provide (ID etc.)? What paperwork do they have to give to you? I don't know. But I would hope that the police could tell the CTC. And then they could tell us.

Re: FillThatHole - Dying ? Come on CTC

22 September 2014 - 3:24pm
Returning to the original question - I've asked someone at National Office if they would like to comment on the thread. Hopefully they should be along in the next few days to do so.

Re: Police Thugs

22 September 2014 - 2:31pm
third crank wrote:Even I find the idea of approaching the police for guidance over this a bit strange.
Dunno. It was an army check-point, not the police, but I recall doing just that in Montreal during a perceived insurrection of Quebec separatists in the 1970's. Blissfully unaware that the army had been sent in 'to ensure the safety of the citizens' after the kidnapping of a British diplomat, I was walking home in the dark through a park in the neighbourhood where the kidnapping had taken place.

A man in uniform stepped into the path and I could just make out a figure with a submachine gun behind the trees on either side. I didn't wait for the man in charge to speak — I knew my rights and I knew how to stand up for them! As I heard the safety catches clicked off the guns on both sides of me I drew myself up to my full height and said (in a very small and polite voice), "What would you like me to do?"

Re: Cycling is faster than the train?

22 September 2014 - 2:27pm
al_yrpal wrote:This is how to get motorists out of cars. If cycle commuters regularly blog about how its faster to get to work by bike and keep hammering that message, some people will abandon cars (hopefully)

Al

Not really, unless you're headed into a city centre most of the time the car will beat the train. There are exceptions of course!

Re: Cycling is faster than the train?

22 September 2014 - 2:22pm
My serious cycling started the first year at secondary school. 20 minute walk to station,off at the very next station and 20 minute walk to school. Bike gave extra time in bed!

In 1966 before the M5 reached the West Country we did as MickF did, Wolvehampton to Barnstaple by bike and train. No, I didn't beat the train but with an early start we arrived within 15 minutes of each other.

The return journey was a Saturday at the end of a Bank Holiday week and the A38 was the usual stop/start all the way to Bristol. As I joined it I noticed a Don Everall coach, the local Wolverhampton company. I kept passing it at the holdups until it finally got away in Bristo.l

Re: Cycling is faster than the train?

22 September 2014 - 1:28pm
Merry_Wanderer wrote:It's 4.5 miles from my home to Loughborough Rail Station (train to Nottingham) which takes me 22 to 23 minutes on my Brompton 6 speed. No hills like Mick F's thankfully!

For the past 3 commutes I have left the village at the same as a VW Transporter van. He soon overtook me but then got caught in traffic. I used the 'cycle path' alongside the A6 and the A6 itself and on the first commute that I saw him I was surprised that I saw him turn off into the VW dealers in Loughborough just as I cycled past after just short of 4 miles.

According to my cycle computer I average just over 11 mph for the journey. Not exactly fast for a bike but for a car / van that's a pretty good incentive to leave the car at home and cycle!
I used to do the same over 10 miles, although I'd normally pass the (liveried van) about 1/2 mile from my destination, with the van in a queue until I'd arrived...

Re: Cycling is faster than the train?

22 September 2014 - 1:25pm
Flinders wrote:Is that the Umberleigh with the point-to-point course? What's the scenery like there?Dunno about the point-to-point course, it seems to be mainly fishing there.

Scenery is gentle rolling hills, trees, and farmland - quite peaceful and beautiful. The Tarka Line follows the Taw Valley as does the A377.

Sitting in the front garden of the pub, there were many passing cyclists, so it must be a popular area to cycle through. The pub is right in front of a T junction A377 Barnstaple/Exeter and the B3227 to South Molton. Cyclists went straight on or turned off in equal measure.

Re: Cycling is faster than the train?

22 September 2014 - 1:11pm
It's 4.5 miles from my home to Loughborough Rail Station (train to Nottingham) which takes me 22 to 23 minutes on my Brompton 6 speed. No hills like Mick F's thankfully!

For the past 3 commutes I have left the village at the same as a VW Transporter van. He soon overtook me but then got caught in traffic. I used the 'cycle path' alongside the A6 and the A6 itself and on the first commute that I saw him I was surprised that I saw him turn off into the VW dealers in Loughborough just as I cycled past after just short of 4 miles.

According to my cycle computer I average just over 11 mph for the journey. Not exactly fast for a bike but for a car / van that's a pretty good incentive to leave the car at home and cycle!

Re: Cycling is faster than the train?

22 September 2014 - 1:10pm
Sorry, I also forgot to mention a local chap who raced the Tarka Line train from Exeter to Barnstaple during the summer- and won at an average speed of 27mph (no chance for me then)
Link to local paper here

http://www.northdevonjournal.co.uk/Gear ... story.html

Mark

Re: Cycling is faster than the train?

22 September 2014 - 1:06pm
MikeF

I recognise that road!
I used to work in Torrington (slightly further to the left of your maps)
& have cycled back on the Atherington road once!
I hit 50mph going down into Langbridgeford, but it was a long, slow climb out the other side.

It also reminds me that I have plans to cycle that same route in the opposite direction sometime- a plan for half term?

Mark

Re: FillThatHole - Dying ? Come on CTC

22 September 2014 - 12:44pm
grani wrote:Same here - I have tried to use the FTH website on my phone but it is impossible to place the pin on the map.
I the days when the app worked, if you were recording when at the hazard site, the "Add Pin" would automatically put the pin where you are (so no need to move it). If doing it later or moving the pin then there was a bit of "technique". I used to have problems, but found you needed to ouch and hold the pin a bit higher that you thought and wait a moment before dragging your finger around. Alternatively, before "Adding Pin", move the map around (easier) until the location was in the middle of the screen and then "Drop Pin" (the pin was always dropped at the screen centre). If not quite right you could "Remove Pin", move the map to correct and "Add Pin" again.

However, given the crashes, reporting problems, camera issues, etc., until CTC decide to drop of commit (or even say something!) I would not bother too much.

Ian

Re: Police Thugs

22 September 2014 - 12:38pm
Flinders wrote:It seems to me that it is high time the CTC approached the police officially and got some guidance. ...

Even I find the idea of approaching the police for guidance over this a bit strange.

I've been trying - especially in the other thread I started - to get some sort of measure about how often this type of thing happens and the number of cases quoted seems small; nobody else has reported being physically stopped by the police, rather than signalled to stop, so that they might be given road safety advice or whatever.

Quite a lot of advice has been given in this thread to the OP; people are free to make up their own mind about which advice they follow, of course, but some choices must surely affect the outcome. eg If medical evidence is withheld in an allegation of assault, it's unlikely to go very far.

Re: Police Thugs

22 September 2014 - 11:59am
It seems to me that it is high time the CTC approached the police officially and got some guidance.

What is a citizen supposed to do when faced with this sort of thing? Back off and report it, record it, stand their ground, or what?
I think an advice card, maybe the size of a credit card, which we could all carry might be useful. Like I said elsewhere, photographers do this. They have done it in response to individual police officers claiming that they had no right to take photographs (when they did) and the like. And those trying to confiscate equipment or delete images, which they are not allowed to do except in very exceptional circumstances, and then arresting people simply for not complying with an illegal instruction.

Some of this is bad training; officers simply not knowing what the law is. That's their employer's fault. But some of it is clearly bullying - sometimes including even lying, which is very worrying. If this is happening with minor offences, how can we trust the police on other greater ones? I used to, but it's getting much more difficult to do so.

Re: FillThatHole - Dying ? Come on CTC

22 September 2014 - 11:52am
Round here they won't even do anything about a long stretch of broken up tarmac pavement, even though one- in fact, I think it may now be two- wheelchairs have overturned on it, and it is the only way some elderly people can get to and from the bus stop.
There are huge holes in the tarmac- some inches deep. It looks like someone has already begun to break it up prior to resurfacing it, it's so bad.

Re: Public bicycle pump

22 September 2014 - 11:49am
That's a great idea.
A chap on some group ride passing through the village was changing/repairing a tube when OH passed coming back from the allotment. He was pretty pleased, not to say surprised, to be offered the use of a high-pressure pump.

Re: Cycling is faster than the train?

22 September 2014 - 11:15am
This is how to get motorists out of cars. If cycle commuters regularly blog about how its faster to get to work by bike and keep hammering that message, some people will abandon cars (hopefully)

Al

Re: FillThatHole - Dying ? Come on CTC

22 September 2014 - 10:41am
squeaker wrote:FTH's USP for me is the archive history of previous problems on the same patch of road. Do LA's offer open access to such archives?
As for Apps, I use a Windows 'phone so no hope there Same here - I have tried to use the FTH website on my phone but it is impossible to place the pin on the map. So either make apps or make the website touch compatible...or you know...both!

Re: Cycling is faster than the train?

22 September 2014 - 10:27am
From here to Basildon is 20 miles. It takes 1h47m and four separate trains to get there by rail, plus another 15 min walk at each end. I've done the journey four times now, and on three of those occasions a train has been cancelled, which adds about another hour.

Cycling is faster than the train?

22 September 2014 - 10:10am
Mrs Mick F and me went away for the night (Saturday) to a very nice pub B+B in North Devon at Umberleigh.
Rising Sun http://www.risingsuninnumberleigh.co.uk/
Excellent, much beer dunk and stuffed ourselves with food.

Any road up, I cycled there - 52miles - whilst Mrs Mick F let the train take the strain, from here in Gunnislake to Umberleigh via Plymouth and Exeter. Total of three trains, and cost a whopping £12 return.
She made it to Umberleigh (only a hundred yards or so from the pub) fifteen minutes before I got there.

Mind you, I took a rather hilly route! Grief!
One bit of road - B3227 - had a 25% downhill immediately followed by a 20% uphill.
Followed by another one, all in the space of less than two miles!
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Atheri ... 36.03,,0,0

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Atheri ... 27,,0,0.32

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Needless to say, cycling back on Sunday, I took a different route by heading south down the Taw Valley. 12miles of flat roads. I made it home 40mins before Mrs Mick F.

A great 100miles, and we enjoyed ourselves immensely. She got some knitting done on the train, and I cycled happily in the Devon sunshine.

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