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Re: ICE!!!

9 December 2014 - 4:43pm
kwackers wrote:karlt wrote:It was icy and the road to the station isn't treated. It also involves a 15% descent on a single track section with a 90 degree bend at the bottom. Discretion, valour and all that.
Fair enough, I thought you were just talking about the wind. (Around here it's nowhere near cold enough for ice).
The tyres are working then

Re: Enjoyable Audax

9 December 2014 - 4:08pm
Bicycler wrote:Not unless he's moved back from france

I don't understand how you can have secret controls and a free choice of routes between published controls. You are either meant to follow the route or you are not.

The only time I've known of one in the UK was on a AA qualifying ride. Where the distance of the other routes was similar but the climbing considerably different. Even then both the Brevet and the route sheet had clearly marked there would be a secret control between A & B. The alternative to one secret control would have been too many infos. There won't be a secret control you are not aware of before the ride, because...

The French have their own regulations.

Re: Enjoyable Audax

9 December 2014 - 3:58pm
Not unless he's moved back from france

I don't understand how you can have secret controls and a free choice of routes between published controls. You are either meant to follow the route or you are not.

Are you specifically allowed by the rules to use any route or are alternate routes between controls just generally accepted because it would be too difficult to police the whole route?

Re: Enjoyable Audax

9 December 2014 - 3:50pm
Audax67 wrote:Paulatic wrote:In days of secret controls you stuck to the route or risked not completing your Brevet. Once missed an info control which at 11pm in the dark wasn't visible, well I and the five others I was riding with, didn't see it. Lol (Northumbrian Castles 300) Ken gave it us anyway. [emoji3]

On a 300 this year we took a wrong turning on entering one town but managed to thread the back streets and find the right road on the way out. Just as we joined it another rider appeared from the direction of the town centre and said "Hey, did you miss the secret control?" We all hared back the way he had come, towards the town centre until we met a chum and asked him where the control was.

Of course, there wasn't one.

In the UK?

Re: Enjoyable Audax

9 December 2014 - 12:12pm
PH wrote:Of course the organiser has usually done a great job in designing the route, and for that reason the majority of riders follow it the majority of the time. In the dozens I've done I've deliberately* gone off route maybe 4 times, to use a bike shop, visit a friend, use a better cafe than the control, and avoid icy lanes, all completed within the rules of AUK and I'd resent any implication that they were in any way cheating.


You've missed the most important reason....I always make sure the Good Beer Guide pubs file for my sat nav is up to date before heading off in an area I don't know

Re: Acceptable overtake?

9 December 2014 - 11:20am
I questioned road position after the first film and I realise I'm not sure exactly where on the bike the camera is mounted (mine is on the left side on some bikes because the light or gear shifters are on the right, so it makes overtakes look further away than they are!). The reply was basically that it was a fairly wide bike+trailer. That street is fairly narrow so a trailer bike doesn't really have a secondary position.

The stretch in the second video (I think it's http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/28389561 ) is nasty: it's a slight rise past the garden centre on the right, so cycles slow down a bit, but too many drivers maybe are already thinking about how long the queues at the crossroads at the southern end are going to delay them, rather than concentrating on the street in front of them. Ironically, their careless driving probably helps deter people from cycling, so putting more cars on the road and delaying them!

Re: ICE!!!

9 December 2014 - 11:01am
karlt wrote:It was icy and the road to the station isn't treated. It also involves a 15% descent on a single track section with a 90 degree bend at the bottom. Discretion, valour and all that.
Fair enough, I thought you were just talking about the wind. (Around here it's nowhere near cold enough for ice).

Re: ICE!!!

9 December 2014 - 10:29am
kwackers wrote:karlt wrote:Took one look, also saw the gales this afternoon, and walked down to the railway station.
But it wasn't windy this morning, so you could have rode down and walked back...

It was icy and the road to the station isn't treated. It also involves a 15% descent on a single track section with a 90 degree bend at the bottom. Discretion, valour and all that.

Re: ICE!!!

9 December 2014 - 10:24am
karlt wrote:Took one look, also saw the gales this afternoon, and walked down to the railway station.
But it wasn't windy this morning, so you could have rode down and walked back...

Re: ICE!!!

9 December 2014 - 10:16am
Took one look, also saw the gales this afternoon, and walked down to the railway station.

Re: Enjoyable Audax

9 December 2014 - 10:13am
Lol, I thought they had been removed but look at the handbook and I see they can still be valid though discouraged. I recall four riders missing one on their 400 PBP qualifier. Obviously they were a tad upset but they had also dodged a significant climb. [emoji3]

Re: Enjoyable Audax

9 December 2014 - 9:52am
Paulatic wrote:In days of secret controls you stuck to the route or risked not completing your Brevet. Once missed an info control which at 11pm in the dark wasn't visible, well I and the five others I was riding with, didn't see it. Lol (Northumbrian Castles 300) Ken gave it us anyway. [emoji3]

On a 300 this year we took a wrong turning on entering one town but managed to thread the back streets and find the right road on the way out. Just as we joined it another rider appeared from the direction of the town centre and said "Hey, did you miss the secret control?" We all hared back the way he had come, towards the town centre until we met a chum and asked him where the control was.

Of course, there wasn't one.

Re: Enjoyable Audax

9 December 2014 - 9:46am
Merry_Wanderer wrote:Audax67, It's not the saddle that's the problem with me, the Brooks Imperial is the best one that I have ever had. Great comfort and my backside was fine after 72 miles whereas the 78 miles I had done 2 years ago on a different bike left me crippled! I have only done a handful of 60+ mile rides and neither by brain or body would cope with the extra time on the bike at the moment. I need to work on my food intake too as I ran out of energy at 52 miles. That said, I will be doing some longer audaxes in 2015 with the aim of doing a 200 (120 miles in real money) by next autumn. Maybe as time progresses and my fitness and stamina improve I could look seriously at LEL or PBP. Right now the prospect of a 300 would seem bonkers!

Ah... I forgot about having the right bike. My main bike has been perfect for the last 10 years and I've been on the same saddle since 2000. The shorts are what makes the difference for me: a bad pair can turn a pleasurable ride into hell. Last year our club brought out new shorts that were wonderful for the first two rides, and on the third the stitching left red railway tracks where no train should run. It was a 300k and the damage made itself felt from 100 on...

When I was organizing UAF Audaxes (everyone rides in a single peloton with road captains) I planned 20 minutes for snack/coffee every 50 km and a meal every 100 to 150, the exception being the 100k (which we considered an introduction to our style of ride and didn't count as a real Audax) where we had breaks every 30-odd. We aimed at an overall rolling average of 22.5 kph, which means in practice 24-26 kph on the flat, falling as low as 12 on the climbs. If we arrived late at a break we either took it off the allotted time or split the difference with the following break.

That sort of planning is useful at first because you learn to budget effort, rest and refuelling. I started riding 100k's & 200k's with a local UAF-Audax club, and learnt with them that I could do the longer distances.

Unfortunately, I don't think there are any UAF Audax clubs in the UK. Doesn't stop you planning, though.

Re: Acceptable overtake?

9 December 2014 - 9:38am
TonyR wrote:Postboxer wrote:I agree that road positioning etc helps, but at the end of the day, it shouldn't be the job of the cyclist to have to control what everyone else is doing. It's a bit like the headphones whilst cycling argument, it shouldn't be a problem as whatever is coming up behind should be being driven safely. So these problems really need tackling from the other end, ie. the drivers.

I'm not sure its that easy. The problem is most drivers have problems reading the subliminal signals that cyclists send out and so find themselves surprised by what unfolds in front of them. The two ways to counter this problem are either through safety in numbers - the more cyclists there are on the road the more that drivers learn to read cyclists' body language* - or to cycle like a car - position yourself on the road and behave like a car with assertiveness and confidence that sends body language they can read.

* not actually body language but positioning and angling of the vehicle etc send all sorts of subliminal messages about what the vehicle is about to do.
I agree - we have got into this sort of "defensive cycle" I think, whereby cars now simply expect cyclists to adjust their riding to accommodate the car, irrespective of what the Highway code might say about priority in a given situation - because that's what cyclists now do.

Witness the surprise from cyclists when I hold back and wait for them to signal to turn right across me, having read what they intend to do.

Re: Acceptable overtake?

9 December 2014 - 9:33am
Postboxer wrote:I agree that road positioning etc helps, but at the end of the day, it shouldn't be the job of the cyclist to have to control what everyone else is doing. It's a bit like the headphones whilst cycling argument, it shouldn't be a problem as whatever is coming up behind should be being driven safely. So these problems really need tackling from the other end, ie. the drivers.

I'm not sure its that easy. The problem is most drivers have problems reading the subliminal signals that cyclists send out and so find themselves surprised by what unfolds in front of them. The two ways to counter this problem are either through safety in numbers - the more cyclists there are on the road the more that drivers learn to read cyclists' body language* - or to cycle like a car - position yourself on the road and behave like a car with assertiveness and confidence that sends body language they can read.

Cyclist in the gutter - out of my way, don't need to worry about them, just carry on driving in a straight line past them. Cyclist in secondary - vehicle in front of me, have to slow down and pass them when there's space.

* not actually body language but positioning and angling of the vehicle etc send all sorts of subliminal messages about what the vehicle is about to do.

Re: ICE!!!

9 December 2014 - 12:21am
My brother fell off on ice last year, skidding along the road to a stop. He thanked his lucky stars, thinking it could have been worse as he wasn't injured and there could have been traffic etc. Then he looked up to see the van bumper stopped a few feet from his head!

Re: ICE!!!

8 December 2014 - 11:06pm
I always lived close to work, even in Canada, and never more than four miles away. For the last 20 years of work I walked, or ran, 8 miles a day there and back during the winter months. The danger with winter cycling is that often the sun does not get out to melt the ice until 10am or so. I have the same problem now with club runs which require an hour's ride to the 9.30am start. If there is ice at 8.30am I wait until the ice has melted, if if does, and go out on my own. As already pointed out, we do not bounce so easily when older.

Re: Enjoyable Audax

8 December 2014 - 10:23pm
In days of secret controls you stuck to the route or risked not completing your Brevet. Once missed an info control which at 11pm in the dark wasn't visible, well I and the five others I was riding with, didn't see it. Lol (Northumbrian Castles 300) Ken gave it us anyway. [emoji3]

Re: ICE!!!

8 December 2014 - 10:12pm
Caught me out this morning, didn't even feel cold enough and bang down on the tarmac with several cuts and bruises. Annoyed with myself as I have a perfectly good, if slower, commuting route all on gritted roads

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