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Re: Sick people

12 October 2014 - 2:36pm

Re: Sick people

12 October 2014 - 2:23pm
Dave W wrote:You're a bundle of laughs aren't you?
Unlike some

I have done a sportive but don't do them any more because the cost is rather extortionate these days. I used to do the Bath to London for charity too but that's got too dear. I've nothing against anyone who enters one - it's quite an achievement for many and a bit of lighthearted competition for some, at the end of the day it's cycling so can't be bad.
I've nothing at all against anyone riding sportives,as I've nothing against people who drive 4x4's(check my history on that).
I have however something against people who scatter the roads with litter in the form of gel wrappers and inner tubes.Not exclusive to sportive riders by any means but as I posted above my experience is that when I/we've ended up on the same road as a sportive there's a predominance of gel wrappers and innertubes and a preponderance of bad and dangerous riding.
It is the pack mentality/wannabie culture that exists that spoils cycling IMHO.
It's also like the fact that we've just got back from three weeks caravaning and cycling in France where I find the driving of a much higher standard than here,and without some much as a trace of litter(well perhaps the odd bit here and there)or fly tipping,to be met by the hedgrows strewn with litter and cans of all description,and no less than three separate fly tip dollops in a 10 mile drive when we came off the motorway .
And some silly bint in a Focus intent on killing herself by a truly atrocious overtaking manoeuvre on the 100mile m/way drive from Hull to Manchester.
I saw no such behaviour in 1,400miles on French roads.

It's a social problem pertaining to the UK.
And it's my experience YMV,have you got that?

Re: Clipping and running

12 October 2014 - 10:54am
So let's put it another way, you're in front of a car in the same lane with you holding central position, you want to turn left as per this vid (presume this is a US vid as they're on the right lane). You signal, you move across and the car hasn't given you enough space and you come into contact with it, who is in the wrong?

Re: Clipping and running

11 October 2014 - 8:38pm
Wait for him to pass, then wait until it's definitely safe to pull out, then pull out without crashing into people who are clearly visible and travelling in a straight line at a steady speed.

Re: Clipping and running

11 October 2014 - 8:29pm
[XAP]Bob wrote:He did start to slow, as you say he stopped pedalling.

The person in front then made a ferociously abrupt move
He didn't 'slow' he stopped pedalling instead of moving and dabbing the brakes to give the guy room. The guy in front clearly indicated AND made an audible warning so the guy behind had plenty of time to slow and/or move to the inside line to give him space. So.. why didn't he do that on seeing that the cyclist in front was intending to move left? At what point was he going to move/slow down to allow the cyclist in front to make his manouvre..ever/never?? Or was he going to force him to hold his line in which case the incident would have happened no matter how fast he went across as going across slowly would still have had the same end result.
Again I'll repeat myself..what IF the cyclist/s in front had to move suddenly to avoid a pothole, then what? The cyclist behind has not acted accordingly IMO, yes the cyclist in front should have shoulder checked but if the cyclist behind won't give you the space how the heck is the guy in front meant to get across??

Re: Clipping and running

11 October 2014 - 5:25pm
I have just added the link to this clip for our next club newsletter.... the tag being..a good illustration that you should never make sudden manouvres when riding in a close line/group!!

Re: Clipping and running

11 October 2014 - 4:53pm
He did start to slow, as you say he stopped pedalling.

The person in front then made a ferociously abrupt move

Re: Clipping and running

11 October 2014 - 4:26pm
The guy in front. Although the group riding looks poor, they are not staying in formation. The guy who comes off keeps pedalling then stopping pedalling (coming forward, then dropping off) instead of keeping a smooth pedalling action. However, this still does not make the accident his fault. Before changing course a rider should always without fail make sure it's safe and that he's not going to cause others problems. After all they weren't in a bunch sprint!


Re: Navdy

11 October 2014 - 4:18pm
Plain crazy!


Re: Clipping and running

11 October 2014 - 12:50pm
Please explain why in the context of the rules this is 100% the guy in fronts fault?
the guy stuck his arm out AND gave an auidble warning of his intention, and yes that doesn't give him priority and yes he moved over without checking over his shoulder.

That said the chap behind ignored his signal in reality, did not brake, did not adjust his own position & did NOT give him enough space when there WAS ample time (he stopped pedalling if you look), two wrongs don't make a right.
What if the guy in front had hit an obstacle or had to swiftly swerve to avoid something..what then?
the rider behind had ample opportunity to brake and move to the inside..50/50 if you ask me

Re: commute distance, folder or road bike?

11 October 2014 - 11:29am
I do around 18 miles each way, approximately twice a week.

I have done it on a folder, mtb and road bike. My favorite way is road, mtb and folder.

I tried using part train part folder but it was such a faff and trying to get on the trains zone 2 was a PITA.

I am working up to 4 days a week and should be doable.

My av speed is around 13mph but I have around 70 traffic lights and the London bit is a slog on the way home. Not so bad in the mornings as I leave at 630am.

Re: Cycling is faster than the train?

11 October 2014 - 11:14am
Mick F wrote:Mind you, I took a rather hilly route! Grief!
One bit of road - B3227 - had a 25% downhill immediately followed by a 20% uphill.
Followed by another one, all in the space of less than two miles!
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Atheri ... 36.03,,0,0

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Atheri ... 27,,0,0.32

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Ah, the Torrington-Umberleigh Road. That brought back a vivid memory of that stretch from 30 years ago. I'd just moved down from Yorkshire to a new job in the South West, with the optimistic intention of using train+bike as much as possible, rather than the car, when visiting clients in a big regional patch. One of my first visits was in Torrington, and I had to get back to Umberleigh to pick up the train home. It was a freezing November night, with ice in bottom the dips between those 25% switchbacks....

Quite soon after that, I became rather less ambitious about the amount of work miles I'd be able to do on the bike....

Re: A warm dry winter?

10 October 2014 - 9:50pm
Not particularly dry this week!

Re: Sick people

10 October 2014 - 9:00pm
You're a bundle of laughs aren't you?

I have done a sportive but don't do them any more because the cost is rather extortionate these days. I used to do the Bath to London for charity too but that's got too dear. I've nothing against anyone who enters one - it's quite an achievement for many and a bit of lighthearted competition for some, at the end of the day it's cycling so can't be bad.

Re: A warm dry winter?

10 October 2014 - 8:36pm
Well, given that the only thing we can accurately predict about our wonderful British weather is that it will be unpredictable I'm happily ready for the worst it can throw at us.

I have read that the studs should be bedded in by riding a few miles on dry roads but elsewhere it has been suggested that the advice only applies to nice smooth German tarmac and that our rotten rough roads will do more damage than good.

I'll probably just go for manually pushing each stud down and only fit them to the bike when snow is definitely due.

The worst conditions I've previously encountered were on residential streets that don't get gritted where the snow has partially melted then re-frozen forming a thick sheet. Riding on normal tyres over that was definitely a sphincter puckering experience!

Re: Cafe & coffee

10 October 2014 - 6:01pm
Thats very good going for 1. An airport 2. Italy
I walked past Florians in Venice but just couldn`t bring myself to pay the €12 for a miniscule coffee & another €6 to be in hearing distance of the orchestra.
I did listen to them though so must be about €18 in profit!

I used to cycle up Armley town street 40 years ago past the Co-op. On an ex-police Raleigh roadster. I also remember the dried Vesta curries from Morrisons in Morley.

Re: Cycling is faster than the train?

10 October 2014 - 4:21pm
When I worked in Chelmsford it used to take me about 40 mins to drive the 13m home. If I used the train it was about a 10 min walk to the station, by which time I had just missed the 17.05, so I had to wait for the 17.55. That got in about 18.30, so by the time I had walked the 10 min home that was about an hour later than by car. If I'd cycled I could have done it in less than 1h40m, but not 40m.

Re: Cycling is faster than the train?

10 October 2014 - 4:10pm
The Mechanic wrote:Are we comparing like with like here. I don't think so. Unless there is a direct train from A to B then you can't compare it to a bike being ridden from A to B unless it follows the same route as the train, i.e. via the same places as the three train journeys.
No - you are going from A to B, not racing a train along it's path.

To take the train from here to my old place of work would have taken >7 hours if I wanted to get there before 9 am, but a minimum of 5 hours a day on the train -add that onto an 8 hour working day and 8 hours sleep and there isn't much left to get to and from the station.

Re: Cycling is faster than the train?

10 October 2014 - 4:00pm
Mark1978 wrote:Not really, unless you're headed into a city centre most of the time the car will beat the train. There are exceptions of course!
But the car won't often beat the bike, not at commuting time, even in a fairly small market town.

This was the basis of the "commuter challenge" that we used to run in Bike Week and since then, cycling has gotten quicker with a few new sections of cycleway bypass opening, while car times have pretty much held constant with new motorists appearing to fill any spaces added by road widening and traffic management signs (the things that tell you how to reach empty parking spaces quickest).

In my local case, I've timed an clear-roads evening car drive into King's Lynn at 21 to 23 minutes, which is only slightly faster than my 19 to 26 minute cycling in (it depends mainly whether the wind helps or hinders on the exposed flat sections). It doesn't take much time in a traffic queue or walking to/from a less-than-ideal car park to make the car slower than cycling. This is slightly unfair: I moved here because it has a good cycle link to town; but only slightly: the drive is all A roads except the last few metres and the majority is 40mph limit.

Re: Accident on bike

10 October 2014 - 1:51pm
As a Clinical manager in the NHS, i have had to deal with a number of Sickness episodes, some short and some longer term. The trigger points are there to ensure that an individual is not abusing the system. I would much rather have a member of staff take a few more days off sick and be fully recovered, so that when they do return to work they are fully fit.

I would be very wary of using facilities designed for use by patients such as the free bus. As staff we did used to use this when travelling between two hospital sites, but this was sanctioned.

Your sickness if it works the same as our trust, will calculate it on the number of sessions that you have off for a specific periord of time. This is usually over a rolling 12 month period, and you are "allowed" 4 sickness episodes before you reach the first review (trigger) point. However for an incident as you describe, this can be taken into account and can be sometime (managers discretion) from the sickness trigger point. You would also have to have had 3 other sickness events in the past 12 months to hit a trigger point

Hope that helps



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