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Re: Sri Lanka Commonwealth Cyclists On M74

23 July 2014 - 8:38pm
The hard shoulder can easily be mistaken for a cycle lane.

Re: Sri Lanka Commonwealth Cyclists On M74

23 July 2014 - 8:29pm
When I was cycling in Spain I found myself on the autopista on more than one occasion. Sometimes it didn't seem to give you any other option!

Re: Sri Lanka Commonwealth Cyclists On M74

23 July 2014 - 8:24pm
Motorways don't have the big signs any more.
The ones that stated what was forbidden .... agricultural vehicles, mopeds under 50cc, learner drivers, cyclists, animals, pedestrians, etc etc etc.

If you don't know the UK Highway Code, there's nothing to tell you anything on the entrance to a motorway. The police would have difficulty in prosecuting.

Re: Asshat In A Car

23 July 2014 - 8:22pm
It's the biggest reason why they should be done properly or not at all.

Re: Asshat In A Car

23 July 2014 - 8:19pm
This type of incident is not at all unusual and is a consequence of the quality of most cycle-specific facilities.
( How many times have you found a cycle facility that you actually prefer to cycle on ?? )

The bloke in the car thinks that you should use the facility provided to get you out of his way and has decided on motorist-vigilante-type action.
So long as his actions don't get dangerous, just ignore them.
Even the Highway Code does not mandate their use ( although it does get perilously close to creating a contributory negligence opportunity should the worst happen ).

Re: Triumph of HiViz over common sense?

23 July 2014 - 8:14pm
I have to wear a hi-viz vest in work, so I just wear it to work on the bike as well. Got a mesh one so it's not really any hotter.

Not sure about the benefits in the sunshine, main reason is so I don't forget it on the way in Have to wear it to the clock machine on the way out so it just stays on.

Definitely helps in the dark nights though.

Re: Sri Lanka Commonwealth Cyclists On M74

23 July 2014 - 7:58pm
They were probably just following the special signs for games traffic and the lane on the M74 was probably for athletes and games officials only.

Obviously athletes are not expected to cycle to events.

Re: Right Hand Turns

23 July 2014 - 7:41pm
The best way to imagine it is in the photo take the silver car and imagine it tight to the left hand kerb, im about 3/4 of the way across the outer lane stationary to turn right. Coach im guessing has pulled out of bus lane to avoid car, and squeeze thru the gap, making me swear furiously when i suddenly look left and see this coach trying to roll thru the gap. Good thing he wasnt going at speed, or he'd have pushed me over into the oncoming lane.

Sometimes I think cycling in london is like russian roulette.

p.s. I gave up complaining. been there tried it. noone cares. You have to lookout for yourself, and constantly learn from experiences to survive.

Re: Right Hand Turns

23 July 2014 - 6:24pm
Sorry you had such a fright .I would definitely contact National Express as the driver's judgement is woefully inadequate and put you at risk. You could try posting a comment on their facebook page – some cyclists find companies respond promptly to negative publicity.

+1 for Si's comment about eye-contact, although this can be tricky to achieve with a driver sitting in a high cab. From the sound of it, you were in the right position but the situation was unavoidable since the driver wouldn't wait. I'd be interested to see a streetmap link, if you're able – were you in a right filter lane? I normally find drivers show consideration (albeit still impatient) when I'm stopped in the centre of a single lane to turn right. If the lane is slightly wider, they can try to undertake so eye contact often works and I still have some room to move to the central white line if necessary. If I'm on the outside of a two lane carriageway, I'm extra vigilant looking at the drivers directly behind and to my left, but it's still a vulnerable position reliant on good drivers, not selfish ones .

Incidentally, since raising the handlebars I'm much more comfortable looking round when riding, so if you find it awkward, it might be worth adjusting the bars and saddle to suit.

Re: Triumph of HiViz over common sense?

23 July 2014 - 6:01pm
I saw another variant today. Someone cycling along in what appeared to be a bright yellow shower cap. No helmet underneath as far as I could tell, just a shower cap and apart from that normal clothes.

Re: Right Hand Turns

23 July 2014 - 5:06pm
Hard to say for your particular case having not witnessed exactly what happened and how you handled it, but speaking more generally, rather than follow a hard a fast rule regarding position I'd suggest that one takes good observation of what is happening behind, and reacts appropriately. Thus if it looks like the vehicle behind is going to try to squeeze down that little gap to your left then either shut the door on them or move right to get a bit more room once one has slowed them down. And, of course, if one can establish eye contact with the driver they are much more likely to back off a bit, but to do this one does need to be able to look behind properly rather than just flick the head......which is an issue we get with a number of experienced cyclists.

Re: Right Hand Turns

23 July 2014 - 5:03pm
You do need to complain to NatEx. Say the bus hit you and you only just maintained control.

Re: Right Hand Turns

23 July 2014 - 4:44pm
You can't win with that. Apart from an email to National Express with the time and date, pointing out that the coach did in fact collide with you (albeit glancingly) and insisting the matter be looked into as a matter of urgency. Not that bugger all will happen, of course.

Right Hand Turns

23 July 2014 - 4:03pm
I remember reading a thread somewhere on the forum about right hand turns. So i took the advice and having turned left at the loampit vale roundabout in lewisham onto the pseudo high street double lane road. I went into the right side lane for a right hand turn. The advice given was not to park on the white line in the middle but to take control of the lane, which i did. To my utter terror a national express coach tried to squeeze between a car in the first lane and me in primary in the 2nd lane... (the coach was touching my left hand shifter so Id say the gap was too tight).

Other than crossing my fingers and praying, or needing a good drink to get over it. Is primary better to turn right or sitting on the white line hoping a truck coming the other way will clip you best?

Re: A-hole in a van.

23 July 2014 - 2:05pm
The poster point was that if the officer may not have had time to properly enforce the law with regards to a driver on a mobile phone because of a domestic incident, what happens if that driver then goes on to run over someone because they are not concentrating properly, does that RTA then become more important than the next domestic incident ?
But if I throw that back at you. Most domestic incidents involving a police callout is because there is a violent, or possible violent situation. The only officer on duty, en-route,then stops to give a ticket to mobile phone wielding driver. In the meantime the original incident escalates and a person is severely injured or killed because of the delay.
Now where do you stand?

Re: Wearing earphones

23 July 2014 - 12:36pm
In the eighteen months I’ve been delivering small parcels around central Birmingham, a motorist’s face has only come into collision with my fist once.
He poked his head out of his window because his stereo was so loud. I happened to be looking at my wristwatch at that very moment.

Re: Wearing earphones

23 July 2014 - 12:35pm
We all make mistakes and we should all aim to learn from them. There is no such thing as perfect cycling or driving and no-one who cannot improve. That requires recognising when our actions fall below an acceptable standard. I just find it slightly worrying that you consider the times when your own driving has fallen to the level of 'autopilot' to be perfectly natural and acceptable.

Unfortunately, this view seems to be becoming the norm as evidenced by this quote (reported on another thread) from a driver who hit a cyclist who was perfectly visible:
"I don't think it's fair because I wasn't driving dangerously, I wasn't driving erratically," "I just failed to see someone who was on the road."

Re: A-hole in a van.

23 July 2014 - 12:30pm
thirdcrank wrote:... Some of the older forum members have posted about a time when they would not wheel a pedal cycle on a pavement and spent ages on quiet Sunday mornings, jumping up and down on the rubber strips which activated traffic light. Mutatis mutandis the behaviour of most drivers was similar. Visible police patrolling combined with enforcement produced civilised standards from most road users. ...
Returning to this because after reflection I still don't understand this use of "mutatis mutandis" or in English "changing only what needs changing": yes, most drivers refuse to get out and push their car on a pavement past a broken traffic light... so what's uncivilised in either example or changed by visible police patrolling?

Re: Wearing earphones

23 July 2014 - 11:53am
To bicycler and Vorpal I would simply say that my record of 50 years free from collisions with motor vehicles is much better than my friend [used as an example many replies ago] who has two broken bones in the past 10 years courtesy of collisions with motor vehicles. He advocates riding a metre out because somebody else said it was a good idea, whilst he's a really nice guy sometimes he doesn't think about safety for himself, and this gets him into trouble.

Doubtless you both will continue to ride the way you do and I most certainly will continue in my habits, why would I need to change?

As for bicycler's inference that I'm in no position to give advice about driving habits, FYI my last accident was 40 years ago and my last and only moving violation in the car was an SP30 30 years ago, so my honesty about my driving recollections probably reflects that I'm not holier-than-thou about the realities of life and human behaviour.

Re: A-hole in a van.

23 July 2014 - 11:39am
Even with many more police on the streets you would always end up with an individual officer having to prioritise one thing over another (he cannot be in two places at once) even if there are enough police in total to deal with every minor misdemeanour.

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