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Re: Cycling Eutopia ?

19 October 2014 - 8:02pm
Ah, okay. If you come across it again then post the link. I don't see how it can be a critical issue for HSTs but not for all the other diesel units doing exactly the same thing. Then again I guess stopping services in provincial Britain are suitably far from the eyes and noses of government departments for them not to care a jot so I won't doubt you.

Re: Cycling Eutopia ?

19 October 2014 - 7:40pm
Bicycler wrote:I think you are misinterpreting that as meaning that they are being replaced in 2017 because of this issue.
Actually, I think I posted the wrong link there. I'm sure I read it somewhere but it doesn't seem to be in this browser's history. What I remember is that an investigation was started a while ago, the Environment Agency or some other pet bit of gov.uk claimed that it was all OK and train companies are allowed to do that, but some other bit of government decided it thought that hadn't been the case since some time in the 1990s and declared it would take the DfT or its franchising office to court to test the theory, then the 2017 replacement date was committed to and the court bit is on hold.

Anyway, once IEP arrives, the HSTs will probably go for refurbishment before being cascaded and maybe sewage tanks will be fitted then... but as you wrote, it's not like cycleways go very close to the rails anyway.

Re: Cycling Eutopia ?

19 October 2014 - 7:24pm
I must be missing a section about deadlines What it does say is:
She said InterCity 125 trains would be replaced from 2017 by new models which would solve the problem.
I think you are misinterpreting that as meaning that they are being replaced in 2017 because of this issue. The causality is the other way; she's saying that this is not long term issue (on HSTs) because the trains are going anyway. It's actually a bit of a misleading claim because there will still be HSTs running other lines for years to come. In fact there are several statements in that article that make it sound like a concerted effort is being made to remove these toilets. In truth it's very low on their list of priorities and only likely to happen as older stock gets phased out which is happening at a rather slow rate. I can say with a reasonable degree of confidence that we will still be running some of these trains in 15 years time

Re: Cycling Eutopia ?

19 October 2014 - 7:08pm
Old coverage of the train deadline: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24925280

Re: Cycling Eutopia ?

19 October 2014 - 3:38pm
mjr wrote:djqster wrote:You know how you're not supposed to use a train toilet in the station? Well when you use it away from the station and the train is moving quickly, whatever you flush is blasted into an aerosol by the slipstream where it sits in a nice breathable cloud.

It's a problem for lineside workers and potential lineside cyclists until all trains are fitted with waste tanks.
How many still aren't? The HST slam-doors. What else? Most of what's seen locally are Happy Trains and the various *stars and I think they've all got waste tanks, like most trains built since 1989.

I think the UK government was given a deadline of 2017 to stop this and that's why the Intercity Express Programme trains are scheduled to start service then, so this doesn't seem a big barrier to railside cycleways any more.
I wasn't aware of any deadline. Certainly the HSTs won't all suddenly be removed from service in 2017. As for other trains well that is an awful lot of those trains built during the 1980s including all the Pacers and some of the Sprinters which comprise the majority of local stopping services in much of the country. Looking at my local operator (Northern) that is most of their fleet! There's certainly a lot of fuss about the disability regulations which will require all trains to be fully accessible by 2020 and which many had thought would lead to the withdrawal of many older trains. In many cases rising demand seems to make that unlikely and we seem likely to be using many of these already antiquated units (suitably altered for disabled access) into the next couple of decades.

I don't think the toilet situation is a big issue in all honesty. Cycle paths would have to be physically separated from trains anyway. Whilst undoubtedly unpleasant when used in stations or for workers who must work the lines. It is not something that has created any significant numbers of complaints where express trains pass through intermediate stations at speed or where footpaths run adjacent to railway lines. I think it is more of a repulsive notion than a genuine health risk. If I was that bothered about traces of pollutants in what I might breathe I would be far more worried about riding on the roads!

Re: Cycling in Ireland

19 October 2014 - 1:28pm
I live in the North East and while there are plenty of ladies cycling in this part of the world, there are nowhere near the numbers I saw in Ireland. The more girls there are cycling, the better for cycling as a whole.

Re: Ten Miles a Day

19 October 2014 - 12:00pm
I log all my trips on Endomondo and have a 250 miles a month target which I am on course for. I only cycle for the sake of it and around 70% of my trips are solo runs around the Swansea & Gower coastline on a hybrid.

Re: Cycling in Ireland

19 October 2014 - 6:29am
I don't where you live, female groups have been taking off all the country, we often ladies riding individually or in small groups at weekend and I am about to join an all female race team.

Re: Ten Miles a Day

18 October 2014 - 10:47pm
Despite being in the IT industry and having written my first computer programmes at school in the mid 70s I don't do spreadsheets or internet mileage logging. I just record my miles in biro on a calendar on the kitchen wall and keep my yearly totals that way. No Garmin or other fancy gadgets either, just basic, late 1990s Cat Eye cycle computers on my 3 bikes.

This year I'm on 7357.48 miles, 25.28 miles per day.

Re: A (sort of familiar) tale

18 October 2014 - 9:45pm
An unhappy man in a van recently shouted at me for being in primary . I dutifully moved over – to his right, and proceeded to filter past him and the huge line of stationary traffic he'd cut in front of me to join .

More of the same expected next week (smug mode now turned off) .

Re: Cycling Eutopia ?

18 October 2014 - 4:49pm
Yes you could have 50% commuting by bike - just because at the moment people don't consider cycling more than a few metres doesn't mean they never will.

And there are people who have silly long commutes (I used to be one of them) but that's not essential to life in the UK...

Re: Cycling Eutopia ?

18 October 2014 - 2:01pm
50% of Copenhagen residents commute by bike....BUT that will never happen in England. Copenhagen is small and flat (though e-bikes can solve the hill issue) v. London or our other major cities. Lots cycle in Cambridge but that's also small and flat and has a young population.
However aside from the city size and flatness factors IMO the two main reasons why we will never reach such a high proportion of cycle commuting are:
-Our commutes are generally longer...most people are unwilling to consider cycling for anything over 3 miles each way.
-Our population is fat (we are the most obese nation in Europe) and lazy...its not primarily a dearth of cycling infrastructure thats the cause why so few cycle commute; its because they don't want to. Most don't even want to walk 1 mile each way, they take the bus or drive. Its difficult to change peoples' mentality...the govt. has been banging on for years about exercise and a healthy diet yet our population keeps getting even fatter.
I'm all for drastically improving cycling infrastructure and believe that it will encourage more people to cycle commute, but how many more? I'd be surprised if we even reach 20%, more likely 10%. Still worth doing...making 10% healthier, cutting congestion and pollution would be a big win however I don't believe we will ever become a true mass cycling nation.

Cycling in Ireland

18 October 2014 - 1:55pm
I've just come back from one of my occasional trips to Ireland and thought I'd share a few of my experiences with you. I cycled from Dun Laoghaire out into the Wicklow mountains on a gorgeous autumn day. I was impressed by the very large number of cyclists out and about. I think in 4 hours I probably saw more cyclists than cars! The other thing I noticed was the very high proportion of female cyclists, at least a third. It wasn't just a case of someone cycling with a partner, there were quite a few girls riding in small groups and one quite sizeable peloton of about 15 - 20. It would be great to see such enthusiasm here.

Moving on to the quieter rodes of South Tipperary, I came across that other phenomenon of Irish cycling - motorists coming the other way WAVE!

Re: Clipping and running

18 October 2014 - 12:54pm
Edwards wrote:[XAP]Bob wrote:And you thought *I* was jumping to conclusions - what evidence do you have that he braked,

Reduction in speed when just in front of the rider on his right.

Unfortunately this is exactly where the protocols of group riding are very important. As in do not tell somebody they are clear when you know they can not look behind to check.

He didn't say "you are clear". By "go ahead" I would understand that I should be looking for that gap rather than going behind that rider.

I don't see anything that would indicate braking by the camera bike at all.

Re: Clipping and running

18 October 2014 - 12:23pm
[XAP]Bob wrote:And you thought *I* was jumping to conclusions - what evidence do you have that he braked,

Reduction in speed when just in front of the rider on his right.

Unfortunately this is exactly where the protocols of group riding are very important. As in do not tell somebody they are clear when you know they can not look behind to check.

Re: Clipping and running

18 October 2014 - 11:52am
Edwards wrote:[XAP]Bob wrote:As for team pace lines - this doesn't look like a club outing, more likely an audax/sportive style affair. You cannot assume small group conventions when you aren't in that group - you have to revert to general traffic conventions: make sure your manoeuvre is safe.

I was careful not to mention race or pace lines. However nearly all the riders were behaving as though on a club run. Not a commute so the inexperience of riding in those conditions show, the best example of this is the rider with the camera on his bike. He went alongside then braked that is a no no he should have slowed sooner.

Does not matter he got what he wanted, good video footage and his moment of fame.
And you thought *I* was jumping to conclusions - what evidence do you have that he braked, or the wanted a crash.

You might not have mentioned pace lines, but you were referring to the protocols you are familiar with when dealing with them.

This doesn't look lile an event where that familiarity can be assumed - and therefore you need to ensure that your way is clear. The forward cyclist fails to do so (correctly at any rate).

Re: Clipping and running

18 October 2014 - 10:52am
[XAP]Bob wrote:As for team pace lines - this doesn't look like a club outing, more likely an audax/sportive style affair. You cannot assume small group conventions when you aren't in that group - you have to revert to general traffic conventions: make sure your manoeuvre is safe.

I was careful not to mention race or pace lines. However nearly all the riders were behaving as though on a club run. Not a commute so the inexperience of riding in those conditions show, the best example of this is the rider with the camera on his bike. He went alongside then braked that is a no no he should have slowed sooner.

Does not matter he got what he wanted, good video footage and his moment of fame.

Re: Clipping and running

18 October 2014 - 9:14am
We certainly see him stop pedalling (probably looking back) and then start again.


As for team pace lines - this doesn't look like a club outing, more likely an audax/sportive style affair. You cannot assume small group conventions when you aren't in that group - you have to revert to general traffic conventions: make sure your manoeuvre is safe.


Just looked up the fly6 camera - 15 minute files, so off that we have a boring 40 seconds in a <60 second clip.

Re: Clipping and running

18 October 2014 - 8:51am
[XAP]Bob wrote:MikeF wrote:[XAP]Bob wrote:
EDIT: Just read the description on the video:
"The guy in the silver and blue Pinarello cut-off in front of a rider and took his front wheel out. He saw the accident he caused and sped away." We don't know that from the video. That's just an opinion.

It was the description, so made by the video uploader. Now it's possible that someone else has reuploaded the video, but it'd more likely that the person posting is the camera man, and therefore has the following minute as well as seeing the guy cycle off... And he has clearly had interest in cycling videos before.

So it's a little more than a simple opinion from the video - the person making it is likely to have had access to much more information than we do.But we haven't any video evidence of that which is the crucial point. Therefore we cannot judge. Supposing the cyclist with the video camera caused the problem, and note the first cyclist appears to brake before he swerves to overtake, then he might add a comment like that to exonerate himself, and post a video to "prove" his point.

Re: A warm dry winter?

18 October 2014 - 8:45am
maxcherry wrote:MikeF wrote:GrumpyGit wrote:If I'm going to make it to Brighton next spring I shall have to keep riding through anything the winter can throw at us.

In preparation I've just bought a pair of studded tyres for my mountain bike as it is my "weapon of choice" for filthy conditions. My hybrid remains set up for relatively benign roads.

Working on the principle that it never rains when you're carrying an umbrella I'm expecting a very mild winter this year! I predict there will be fewer hours of daylight, so you might need lights.


Did you scatter some chicken bones, or dangle some seaweed to see into the future

What a splendid idea, would cat entrails help too??

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