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Re: Clipping and running

18 October 2014 - 10:52am
[XAP]Bob wrote:As for team pace lines - this doesn't look like a club outing, more likely an audax/sportive style affair. You cannot assume small group conventions when you aren't in that group - you have to revert to general traffic conventions: make sure your manoeuvre is safe.

I was careful not to mention race or pace lines. However nearly all the riders were behaving as though on a club run. Not a commute so the inexperience of riding in those conditions show, the best example of this is the rider with the camera on his bike. He went alongside then braked that is a no no he should have slowed sooner.

Does not matter he got what he wanted, good video footage and his moment of fame.

Re: Clipping and running

18 October 2014 - 9:14am
We certainly see him stop pedalling (probably looking back) and then start again.


As for team pace lines - this doesn't look like a club outing, more likely an audax/sportive style affair. You cannot assume small group conventions when you aren't in that group - you have to revert to general traffic conventions: make sure your manoeuvre is safe.


Just looked up the fly6 camera - 15 minute files, so off that we have a boring 40 seconds in a <60 second clip.

Re: Clipping and running

18 October 2014 - 8:51am
[XAP]Bob wrote:MikeF wrote:[XAP]Bob wrote:
EDIT: Just read the description on the video:
"The guy in the silver and blue Pinarello cut-off in front of a rider and took his front wheel out. He saw the accident he caused and sped away." We don't know that from the video. That's just an opinion.

It was the description, so made by the video uploader. Now it's possible that someone else has reuploaded the video, but it'd more likely that the person posting is the camera man, and therefore has the following minute as well as seeing the guy cycle off... And he has clearly had interest in cycling videos before.

So it's a little more than a simple opinion from the video - the person making it is likely to have had access to much more information than we do.But we haven't any video evidence of that which is the crucial point. Therefore we cannot judge. Supposing the cyclist with the video camera caused the problem, and note the first cyclist appears to brake before he swerves to overtake, then he might add a comment like that to exonerate himself, and post a video to "prove" his point.

Re: A warm dry winter?

18 October 2014 - 8:45am
maxcherry wrote:MikeF wrote:GrumpyGit wrote:If I'm going to make it to Brighton next spring I shall have to keep riding through anything the winter can throw at us.

In preparation I've just bought a pair of studded tyres for my mountain bike as it is my "weapon of choice" for filthy conditions. My hybrid remains set up for relatively benign roads.

Working on the principle that it never rains when you're carrying an umbrella I'm expecting a very mild winter this year! I predict there will be fewer hours of daylight, so you might need lights.


Did you scatter some chicken bones, or dangle some seaweed to see into the future

What a splendid idea, would cat entrails help too??

Re: Clipping and running

18 October 2014 - 7:21am
Some very interesting comments but I wonder how many of the people saying the guy in front is at fault have ever ridden regularly with a fast passed cycling club.

Some of the first things I was told by the people I was ridding with was, never ever overlap the front wheel without telling the person in front that you are doing so.
Also do not respond to a hand signal to change road position unless you are certain that you are clear and the person can do as they indicate.
Keep your eyes forward do not look back otherwise you will run into the person in front if there is a problem.
Your brakes will not stop you in time if you are not concentrating on the bikes further forward.
Do not make any sudden movements without clearly indicating your intentions. If you get a response then the way is absolutely clear.

Unfortunately these lessons are not learnt by riders doing sportives and or charity rides. They just simply do not have the race club etiquette.
We all knew the Highway Code did not apply with regards to the other riders but the club rules did. But we road to those rules to stop this sort of thing happening.

Re: A (sort of familiar) tale

17 October 2014 - 10:10pm
Lights turn green, I'm first in the queue in the ASL taking primary. I start off quite briskly. 20 mph zone, lots of pinch points, I stay in primary.

Ford Transit behind doesn't like this and overtakes me engine screaming in second gear. He hasn't even fully completed the overtake when his right indicator goes on (at least he indicated) as he's reached the turning on the right he needs. As he slows for the turn the oncoming traffic means he pushes over on me and forces me into the gutter.

That was this morning. I'm sure there'll be something similar tomorrow.

Re: A ride too far

17 October 2014 - 8:58pm
yes but not from a bike ride - when I went to an interview and missed the last train. I had to sleep on a bench was winter/autumn time also. Not very pleasant . On bike rides I now take a bivvy bag and blow up pillow if I remember (lol)

Re: Clipping and running

17 October 2014 - 8:27pm
MikeF wrote:[XAP]Bob wrote:
EDIT: Just read the description on the video:
"The guy in the silver and blue Pinarello cut-off in front of a rider and took his front wheel out. He saw the accident he caused and sped away." We don't know that from the video. That's just an opinion.

It was the description, so made by the video uploader. Now it's possible that someone else has reuploaded the video, but it'd more likely that the person posting is the camera man, and therefore has the following minute as well as seeing the guy cycle off... And he has clearly had interest in cycling videos before.

So it's a little more than a simple opinion from the video - the person making it is likely to have had access to much more information than we do.

Re: A ride too far

17 October 2014 - 6:52pm
mercalia wrote:well unexprected rides are the spice of life. just be lucky u didnt have to sleep rough for a night just an extra 15 miles.

I was very glad Mercalia. Have you ended up having to sleep rough?

Re: 2 LeJog deaths: Death by dangerous driving charge

17 October 2014 - 6:26pm
Sentencing in this case on this thread

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=91288

Re: A warm dry winter?

17 October 2014 - 5:00pm
MikeF wrote:GrumpyGit wrote:If I'm going to make it to Brighton next spring I shall have to keep riding through anything the winter can throw at us.

In preparation I've just bought a pair of studded tyres for my mountain bike as it is my "weapon of choice" for filthy conditions. My hybrid remains set up for relatively benign roads.

Working on the principle that it never rains when you're carrying an umbrella I'm expecting a very mild winter this year! I predict there will be fewer hours of daylight, so you might need lights.


Did you scatter some chicken bones, or dangle some seaweed to see into the future

Re: A warm dry winter?

17 October 2014 - 4:34pm
GrumpyGit wrote:If I'm going to make it to Brighton next spring I shall have to keep riding through anything the winter can throw at us.

In preparation I've just bought a pair of studded tyres for my mountain bike as it is my "weapon of choice" for filthy conditions. My hybrid remains set up for relatively benign roads.

Working on the principle that it never rains when you're carrying an umbrella I'm expecting a very mild winter this year! I predict there will be fewer hours of daylight, so you might need lights.

Re: Cycling Eutopia ?

17 October 2014 - 4:19pm
NUKe wrote:Mick F wrote:Yep.
Ridden there, and Amsterdam, and Antwerp.

Cycling Utopia is a place where there is scenery, hills, sweeping countryside, vales and valleys, quite lanes, mountains and hills, smooth roads, cafes and pubs, castles and farms and draughty barns ........

Not a busy European city.
Mick
I think I may have confused you with my title it was mine not the articles, Cycling Eutopia was my interpreration, It all depends on why you cycle. If you had to cycle into a big city everyday for work, then copenhagen is probably one of the best. But if you ride for Liesure then your right with your version of Eutopia. I am very lucky that most of commute is on quite country lanes.

A utopia for cycling rather than for cyclists. Cambridge certainly isn't perfect, but is full of people who aren't cyclists, they're just people who happen to use bikes to get around (in the same way I wouldn't call myself a pedestrian just because I walk to the shops. It's also incredibly boring to cycle around

Re: Clipping and running

17 October 2014 - 3:52pm
Although I've listened several times it's not clear to me who says what and to whom. It appears the camera is attached to a cycle. Was it in the ride as part one of the participants or just to film? It's speed seems to be erratic. The second cyclist appears to catch up with it quite rapidly as he then freewheels, and slows. Why doesn't he overtake as he's going considerably faster? The camera vehicle then overtakes the first cyclist and is going noticeably faster, but then it appears to slow relative to the first rider, causing the first rider to overtake. The first rider starts to overtake but the camera cycle maybe slows more than he expects - hence he has his hand on the front brake as he is about to overtake. He then makes a sharper turn than he was intending.

Unless we are shown a video with a forward facing camera we cannot conclude anything. I might even conclude that the cyclist with the camera caused the crash. No-one has suggested that yet!

Re: Cycling Eutopia ?

17 October 2014 - 3:42pm
djqster wrote:You know how you're not supposed to use a train toilet in the station? Well when you use it away from the station and the train is moving quickly, whatever you flush is blasted into an aerosol by the slipstream where it sits in a nice breathable cloud.

It's a problem for lineside workers and potential lineside cyclists until all trains are fitted with waste tanks.
How many still aren't? The HST slam-doors. What else? Most of what's seen locally are Happy Trains and the various *stars and I think they've all got waste tanks, like most trains built since 1989.

I think the UK government was given a deadline of 2017 to stop this and that's why the Intercity Express Programme trains are scheduled to start service then, so this doesn't seem a big barrier to railside cycleways any more.

Re: Lights: flashing, bright: article in Cycle

17 October 2014 - 3:19pm
A couple of weeks ago I had to ride at night along the cycle path on Lisbon front. It was dark, about 9pm and the path was packed with cyclists. 90% were on MTBs They were flying along and had powerful headlights attached. I was constantly dazzled and had to keep stopping until they had passed. It was dangerous for me as there were high kerbs where the path met a junction and I could not see them. OK on an MTB, but I was on a 700c tourer. IMO their lights were far too bright. I could not see the rider or the bike just the dazzling light. If I was in a car I would be forced to look away. Not good.

Re: Clipping and running

17 October 2014 - 2:44pm
[XAP]Bob wrote:
EDIT: Just read the description on the video:
"The guy in the silver and blue Pinarello cut-off in front of a rider and took his front wheel out. He saw the accident he caused and sped away." We don't know that from the video. That's just an opinion.

Re: Cycling Eutopia ?

17 October 2014 - 2:16pm
Bicycler wrote:As for railways, that's a cracking idea. Seeing as so many have had the number of tracks reduced I think there would be space on quite a few for an adjacent cycle path.

Hmm.
You know how you're not supposed to use a train toilet in the station? Well when you use it away from the station and the train is moving quickly, whatever you flush is blasted into an aerosol by the slipstream where it sits in a nice breathable cloud.

It's a problem for lineside workers and potential lineside cyclists until all trains are fitted with waste tanks.

Re: Cycling Eutopia ?

17 October 2014 - 2:00pm
Yes, I agree.
Like I said, it make it easy to cycle to work and shops etc. "Easy" means safe as well as simple. I reckon pedestrians want the same things too.

If I ruled the world, it would STILL be education education education, plus the police would have a big and constant presence on the streets.

Re: Cycling Eutopia ?

17 October 2014 - 12:04pm
Mick F wrote:Yep.
Ridden there, and Amsterdam, and Antwerp.

Cycling Utopia is a place where there is scenery, hills, sweeping countryside, vales and valleys, quite lanes, mountains and hills, smooth roads, cafes and pubs, castles and farms and draughty barns ........

Not a busy European city.
Mick
I think I may have confused you with my title it was mine not the articles, Cycling Eutopia was my interpreration, It all depends on why you cycle. If you had to cycle into a big city everyday for work, then copenhagen is probably one of the best. But if you ride for Liesure then your right with your version of Eutopia. I am very lucky that most of commute is on quite country lanes.

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