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Re: Are Female Cyclist more at risk

8 hours 33 min ago
beardy wrote:-the standard tests are somewhat culturally biased to allow men to perform better

While I am sure that you are right that the tests are culturally skewed, this choice of words gives the impression that it was done deliberately to "fix" the results. Which I dont agree with, other than fitting in with the cultural expectation but that isnt deliberate.
Sorry. I didn't mean it to sound deliberate. The bias is only there as a result of cultural bias.

Re: Are Female Cyclist more at risk

8 hours 34 min ago
kwackers wrote:Vorpal wrote:-when the time element is removed from most standard tests, there is no difference in performance
-one study (linked in one of my previous posts) found that in a matrilineal culture there was no difference between men and women in their ability to solve 3D puzzles
Am I right in thinking that when time is factored back in the 2nd point no longer stands?

Time was included in the tests in point 2. To summarise the study...

There are two related and similar cultures in India where one is matrilineal and the other is patrilineal. Members of both cultures were given the same 3D puzzles to solve, across different villages, genders, ages, etc. In the Patrilineal culture, men solved the puzzles 36% faster. In the matrilineal culture there was no significant difference in the time it took for men and women to solve the puzzles.

Re: Is it OK to stop traffic with a Pelican/Toucan?

9 hours 53 sec ago
Unfortunately the motorists have won the media war and if you go pressing the buttons like that it will be you described as the extremist.

I think they have also got the technological advantage and pressing the button is ineffective unless you remain there until it acts.

Re: Are Female Cyclist more at risk

9 hours 5 min ago
Vorpal wrote:-when the time element is removed from most standard tests, there is no difference in performance
-one study (linked in one of my previous posts) found that in a matrilineal culture there was no difference between men and women in their ability to solve 3D puzzles
Am I right in thinking that when time is factored back in the 2nd point no longer stands?

Most of the tests for spatial awareness I've seen (that men tend to excel at) have time based elements. This would make sense if men were the primary hunters in prehistoric society since spatial awareness by itself isn't much use unless you can 'solve' the problem before your prey buggers off.

If that were true ordinary cycling probably doesn't favour either sex. But what about in an emergency? Would a bloke generate an 'exit' strategy quicker?
Knowing how often men and women are put in danger and how often it turns out badly might give you some insight into that issue.

Re: Are Female Cyclist more at risk

9 hours 5 min ago
-the standard tests are somewhat culturally biased to allow men to perform better

While I am sure that you are right that the tests are culturally skewed, this choice of words gives the impression that it was done deliberately to "fix" the results. Which I dont agree with, other than fitting in with the cultural expectation but that isnt deliberate.

Re: Is it OK to stop traffic with a Pelican/Toucan?

9 hours 8 min ago
yes yes yes,

press the button any time you can to slow the motorized terrorists.

Re: Ouch!

10 hours 36 min ago
Hi,
We've all done that, its only a matter of time and its self inflicted, only damage is to the rider / bike.
Wait till it happens to you.....................................

Re: Ouch!

11 hours 47 sec ago
nez dans le guidon wrote:I've never done that but I did collide with a car that braked harder than I could ..... I've done that! I was waiting behind a car signalling left at the stop line set a little way back from the traffic lights. The lights changed and the car moved off and I started to follow pushing down fairly hard on the pedal to start moving. The car driver then did a completely unnecessary emergency stop, because there were children on the left turn he was about to take. The result was I went into the back of the car and fell off. The most worrying thing, I recall, was the slow reaction of the driver behind me even though vehicles were travelling very slowly.

Re: Are Female Cyclist more at risk

11 hours 38 min ago
nez dans le guidon wrote:I'm sure you're right. God knows what we do to change it.

You deal with the cause not the victim. A simple ban on HGVs in cities at commuting times and on other than suitable roads at all times, a minimum of Crossrail standards and presumed liability when one does hit a cyclist would be a good start. Dublin has done the former and London is doing the middle one from September. No-one in the UK is doing the latter which would require a national law change. I still see far too many HGVs without the basic safety features such as side bars, adequate mirrors/cameras and sensors.

Re: Are Female Cyclist more at risk

19 hours 3 min ago
Cycling back from the hospital on Thursday a women passed the exit right in the gutter. I turned into the main road, pulled alongside her and politely told her she was in far more danger cycling in the gutter than she would being more central. But she was fine with her helmet/hi-vis and all, especially hidden behind the overhanging trees/shrubbery and bend due to her road position.
Some people you just can't tell sadly and though the stats show motorvehicles are at fault most of the time, many cyclists just don't follow the rules and get into bother and worst case lose their lives because of their error.

Re: Ouch!

19 hours 14 min ago
Just goes to show, idiots are idiots, mode of transport matters not. Typically though there's the usual anti-cyclist ranters epically failing to acknowledge the 2,000+ deaths and 20 odd thousand seriously injured every year caused by 'motorists' not to mention the near million uninsured/untaxed drivers out there

Re: Ouch!

19 hours 41 min ago
Dunno but I have one on my bike and the stuff you see is terrifying!

Re: Ouch!

19 hours 43 min ago
Is it usual for rearward facing cameras to be mounted in cars??

Re: Ouch!

19 hours 51 min ago
I've never done that but I did collide with a car that braked harder than I could and a very kind lady got out, reassured me that she was a cyclist too and had the same jersey as me before checking I was okay and driving off. I felt such a twit

Re: Are Female Cyclist more at risk

19 hours 59 min ago
kwackers wrote:ArMoRothair wrote:I can't believe these tragic deaths are happening through recklessness. If sweeping statements can be made I would certainly say that women are not as reckless as men. So what is it?
We've a road system that takes large testicles to use in heavy city traffic, to plonk yourself in the middle of a lane and risk 'inconveniencing' righteous drivers - particularly when they sit inches from your rear tyre.
I think it simply favours aggressive males and in that respect it's not so much recklessness as a more 'meek' approach to cycling in traffic that's the problem.
I'm sure you're right. God knows what we do to change it.

Re: Are Female Cyclist more at risk

29 May 2015 - 11:39pm
Transport for London looked into why cyclist deaths are disproportionately women and put it down to them obeying red lights.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8296971.stm

Re: Are Female Cyclist more at risk

29 May 2015 - 11:15pm
Vorpal wrote:I'll have to go do some reading on John Adams' site.

His book "Risk" changed my understanding of how humans deal with the risks and rewards of life. I recommend it to every cyclist, and indeed everyone, I fear with little result.
"Risk" just gave a structure to so many of the ideas experience had shown me.

Re: Are Female Cyclist more at risk

29 May 2015 - 11:08pm
Mike Sales wrote:Interesting thoughts, Vorpal. Drivers who are supposed to be very skilful, like racing drivers, nevertheless have accidents. John Adams distinguishes between skill at knowing where the limits of safety are, and willingness to go close to the limit. The propensity to take risks must have different results in cars and on a bike.
I like the idea of separating skill at judging the limits and willingness to go close to them.

I'll have to go do some reading on John Adams' site.

Re: Are Female Cyclist more at risk

29 May 2015 - 10:18pm
Interesting thoughts, Vorpal. Drivers who are supposed to be very skilful, like racing drivers, nevertheless have accidents. John Adams distinguishes between skill at knowing where the limits of safety are, and willingness to go close to the limit. The propensity to take risks must have different results in cars and on a bike.

Re: Ouch!

29 May 2015 - 10:13pm
Someone did it to me once whilst I was in my car waiting on a pedestrianised road as pedestrians were crossing in front of me. He went right over the roof and slid down the windscreen. Don't know who was more shocked, me or him.

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