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Re: Accident waiting to happen.

20 December 2014 - 3:26pm
Si wrote:They are still building them around here.
And, it seems, that virtually no one knows the rules about cycling across them.

I think you just have to muddle through.

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Edit to add. This prompted me to try to do some research and I've been back to the Bedford Turbo Roundabout thread and posted this:

viewtopic.php?p=849937#p849937

It seems that the highway authority there has designed the new pedestrian crossings so that if and when the regs are changed, cyclists will have precedence over traffic.

Unless the regs have changed recently - and there's nothing obvious on the internet - then the crossing which prompted this thread may have been installed in anticipation of those regs. It's hard to see any other explanation. If so, we could be in a situation where there are couple of serious casualties to discredit the arrangement even before it becomes lawful.

Re: Accident waiting to happen.

20 December 2014 - 3:21pm
They are still building them around here.
And, it seems, that virtually no one knows the rules about cycling across them.

Re: Really taking the sandwich

20 December 2014 - 1:10pm
squeaker wrote:... a sandwich (in one hand) whist holding the sandwich box in the other ...

Shocking . The council have installed a litter bin for cycletrack users and he hasn't used it .

squeaker wrote:The only positive point being that they were not driving motor vehicles

Whilst a fairly big positive point it is not the only one. Whilst he hadn't put his litter in the bin that the council had so thoughtfully provided at least he hadn't thrown it on the ground .

Really taking the sandwich

20 December 2014 - 11:54am
Some years back, Worthing prom was again opened up for cycling (this permission had been withdrawn a decade or so ago after an elderly lady was knocked down). However it seems that, as has been said elsewhere, there are idiots using all forms of transport, so I guess I shouldn't have been surprised whilst walking past the municipal loos here (note the strategically placed litter bin - this is a narrow section with lots of crossing foot traffic for the loos and bus stop shelters etc.) to see an oncoming cyclist going 8 to 10mph sitting up and eating a sandwich (in one hand) whist holding the sandwich box in the other (ie both hand no where near the bars) Presumably if he'd had a 3rd hand that would be holding his mobile....

And while I'm at it, the above happened about 30s after seeing a lad in hoodie on a shopper (!) of some description (yes, shopper, not chopper) 'force' his way across the main road traffic on a pelican crossing (no waiting for lights to change) - but at least he had one hand on the bars (mobile in the other).

The only positive point being that they were not driving motor vehicles

Re: Another death

20 December 2014 - 11:07am
kwackers wrote:Actually they do.
The data is sent back to her insurers and they'll bump the premium up and in extreme cases even cancel the insurance. Think of it as an "electronic policeman" that continually monitors even things like hard acceleration/braking and cornering and issues fines automagically.
Obviously there's little they can do at the point in time the offence is being carried out but all the evidence is that long term they're excellent at modifying driver behaviour.What I meant of course is that this device didn't act as a deterrent in this tragic case. The knowledge that this person will be done for astronomical insurance premiums should she ever get behind the wheel again (with a prison sentence for Causing Death by Dangerous Driving, surely she'd have had that anyway?), will hardly be of any consolation to Christian Smith's grieving family.

But if it acts as a deterrent for 99% of motorists who would otherwise drive like maniacs, better than nothing. Bring them on! I'd gladly have one in my car, provided it didn't put me out of pocket. HGVs already have them, after all.

Re: Another death

20 December 2014 - 10:58am
kwackers wrote:661-Pete wrote:Well, if that's the case, the box clearly didn't work since this offender was reported to be 16 mph over the limit.
I note that there are also comments on the case in this thread.
Actually they do.
The data is sent back to her insurers and they'll bump the premium up and in extreme cases even cancel the insurance. Think of it as an "electronic policeman" that continually monitors even things like hard acceleration/braking and cornering and issues fines automagically.
Obviously there's little they can do at the point in time the offence is being carried out but all the evidence is that long term they're excellent at modifying driver behaviour.

It also gave the police the information they needed to nail this liar(amongst other things).
I agree every car should be fitted with one,it could help clean up a lot of bad driving IMO.

Re: Accident waiting to happen.

20 December 2014 - 10:58am
MrD wrote:The idea of combined Zebra crossings and cycle paths was done away with years ago.
What makes you think that?

MrD wrote:Bristol has implemented a new separate cycle path, which incorporates this travesty.

URL for google Earth of old junction.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4532794,-2.5933302,130m/data=!3m1!1e3
Streetview. As I don't know the levels of motor/cycle/pedestrian traffic through the junction I can't rate it. I also don't know Bristol. It certainly looks better for pedestrians.

Re: Feeling guilty whilst not cycling & car use thru illness

20 December 2014 - 10:39am
I had the same experience with sciatica. Intense pain whilst standing and walking, no pain whilst sitting or cycling. As Vorpal, my GP was useless and suggested after looking at me lying down on the couch that one leg was longer than the other and recommended an orthotic in my left shoe. The GP had one made specially for me which just transferred the sciatica from my pelvis and leg to my pelvis, leg and back.

The sciatica only went away with treatment from a wonderful physio. After getting me to lie down on her treatment couch she noted that one leg seemed longer than the other. However, she then noted after rotating my pelvis that the pelvis was out of alignment. After some gentle manipulation and rotation she put my pelvis back in alignment and gave me some exercises to do at home every day to strengthen the muscles which support the movement in the pelvis. After 3 days the sciatica was much reduced and after 2 weeks all pain had gone. I had a follow up session with the physio to make sure all was well. End of problem after 2 sessions which cost me £70. I would cheerfully have paid many times that to be pain free, such was its intensity and debilitating effect on my life.

Re: Another death

20 December 2014 - 9:58am
661-Pete wrote:Well, if that's the case, the box clearly didn't work since this offender was reported to be 16 mph over the limit.
I note that there are also comments on the case in this thread.
Actually they do.
The data is sent back to her insurers and they'll bump the premium up and in extreme cases even cancel the insurance. Think of it as an "electronic policeman" that continually monitors even things like hard acceleration/braking and cornering and issues fines automagically.
Obviously there's little they can do at the point in time the offence is being carried out but all the evidence is that long term they're excellent at modifying driver behaviour.

Accident waiting to happen.

20 December 2014 - 1:13am

http://postimg.org/image/tm1a65edl/

The idea of combined Zebra crossings and cycle paths was done away with years ago. Bristol has implemented a new separate cycle path, which incorporates this travesty.

URL for google Earth of old junction.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4532794,-2.5933302,130m/data=!3m1!1e3

Re: Another death

19 December 2014 - 11:55pm
These words need to be drilled into the head of every a** h*** given a driving licence...

A short time later I had to wake up my 12, nine and five-year-old to tell them that their daddy was dead.
The sounds that they made can only be described as horrifying.


Re: Another death

19 December 2014 - 11:28pm
Well, if that's the case, the box clearly didn't work since this offender was reported to be 16 mph over the limit.
I note that there are also comments on the case in this thread.

Re: Another death

19 December 2014 - 11:02pm
661-Pete wrote:Incidentally, I don't understand the reference to the "black box device fitted by Mackie's insurance firm" in the article. Can anyone elucidate?

A telematics device.

Re: Another death

19 December 2014 - 11:00pm
661-Pete wrote:Incidentally, I don't understand the reference to the "black box device fitted by Mackie's insurance firm" in the article. Can anyone elucidate?
It's pretty much what it says. A black box that monitors driving and reports back to her insurers. It would have reported being over the speed limit, it will also report how aggressively the car is being driven and obviously in cases like this it's pretty handy as a 3rd party witness...

They're one of the reasons a lot of teenagers these days drive slowly.
(I'm of the opinion all cars should have them fitted.)

Re: Feeling a bit lonely......

19 December 2014 - 10:58pm
Vantage wrote: I find myself saying a little prayer to the PF that they hit a series of really really big thorn filled pot holes to claim both wheels. I get a little joy from that vision
Especially if they're on tubs! Q: do roadies still use tubs on club rides?

Re: Another death

19 December 2014 - 10:50pm
Well, the follow-up:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-30553947
I suppose the question has to be asked: is five years an adequate sentence? And what's with the five-year driving ban? If it runs concurrent with the sentence, it amounts to no ban at all (although she'll probably get out half way through on parole).

My feeling is, there has to be a serious re-think about teenage and low-twenties driving. Only a couple of days ago, two teenage boys were killed in a crash at Handcross, not far from where I live, in a car driven by a 20-year old (no cyclists were involved in that one). If we can't raise the driving age, at least make it far more difficult for these youngsters to get behind the wheel where they can cause such havoc and heartbreak.

Incidentally, I don't understand the reference to the "black box device fitted by Mackie's insurance firm" in the article. Can anyone elucidate?

Re: Feeling a bit lonely......

19 December 2014 - 5:14pm
RodWatts wrote:PH
No, I can't get over it! I'll just keep on waving and smiling like an idiot....
What a poor, miserable world this is turning into if we can't nod to or acknowledge some else's existence.
Rod x
Rod if its any comfort most motorcyclists I encounter are the same. I am like you I nod on both forms of transport and it rattles me too.

Re: Feeling a bit lonely......

19 December 2014 - 3:38pm
Vantage wrote:This may be stereotyping, but it's the roadie racing types that I find to be the rudest non-acknowledging-a-fellow-cyclist sods.
And every time they don't acknowledge my nod, I find myself saying a little prayer to the PF that they hit a series of really really big thorn filled pot holes to claim both wheels. I get a little joy from that vision

Round here it's Yoof on MTBs. Mind, they're 90% of the time on the pavement where no-one gets acknowledgement from me lest they think I approve.

Re: Feeling a bit lonely......

19 December 2014 - 12:15pm
This may be stereotyping, but it's the roadie racing types that I find to be the rudest non-acknowledging-a-fellow-cyclist sods.
And every time they don't acknowledge my nod, I find myself saying a little prayer to the PF that they hit a series of really really big thorn filled pot holes to claim both wheels. I get a little joy from that vision

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