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Re: Another death and inadequate sentence

2 July 2015 - 1:46pm
Valbrona wrote:irc wrote:This case seems to be reckless cycling in a busy pedestrian precinct. The sentence seems about right given the circumstances.

Spot the apologist for a killer.

If UK justice wasn't such an ass this cyclist might have been banged up in prison for of the order of a few years like he perhaps would have done if he had killed this poor woman while behind the wheel of a car.

I would think he got the maximum sentence for the only crime the cops could find to charge him with - wanton or furious cycling, which is straight from the 1800's.

Not sure which murders get a custodial sentence when they use a motor vehicle. It's pretty rare.

This is a harsher sentence than most motorised killers receive.

It's still mild given the devastation wrought on the family - for what was an idiotic and clearly unsafe act.

I still regularly cycle through a pedestrian area*, happily saying hello to the various police and town rangers who are there. But the first order on that street is that the pedestrians have priority.





* the signage is non existent from some approaches, and it allows vehicles at the times of day I pass.

Re: Sabotage and hatred: what have people got against cyclis

2 July 2015 - 1:25pm
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=98185
But in that thread I made more of the point about press comments.

Re: Sabotage and hatred: what have people got against cyclis

2 July 2015 - 12:46pm
While this may seem off topic, this article is relevant:
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle ... s-backfire
What it implies is that if a news article says that many people drive too close to cyclists, this will make the matter worse as car drivers will see that as normal behavior. And if follows that people who write negative articles about cyclists in the news are saying to people who may have a negative opinion, 'it's okay to hate cyclists, you're one of us'.
So what is the answer? I'm no psychologist, what it seems to be saying is that cyclists have to change the emphasis of what they communicate.

Re: Another death and inadequate sentence

2 July 2015 - 11:47am
Valbrona wrote:irc wrote:This case seems to be reckless cycling in a busy pedestrian precinct. The sentence seems about right given the circumstances.

Spot the apologist for a killer.

If UK justice wasn't such an ass this cyclist might have been banged up in prison for of the order of a few years like he perhaps would have done if he had killed this poor woman while behind the wheel of a car.

I would think he got the maximum sentence for the only crime the cops could find to charge him with - wanton or furious cycling, which is straight from the 1800's.

You must be joking!

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=50829

Last one was £145 wasnt it?

Re: Another death and inadequate sentence

2 July 2015 - 11:42am
irc wrote:This case seems to be reckless cycling in a busy pedestrian precinct. The sentence seems about right given the circumstances.

Spot the apologist for a killer.

If UK justice wasn't such an ass this cyclist might have been banged up in prison for of the order of a few years like he perhaps would have done if he had killed this poor woman while behind the wheel of a car.

I would think he got the maximum sentence for the only crime the cops could find to charge him with - wanton or furious cycling, which is straight from the 1800's.

Re: The People you Meet

2 July 2015 - 11:33am
I met Rosie Swale when out cycling once. I had rather hoped/expected to meet her out on the road at some time.

We went along on the road chatting for a little while, her running with her trailer behind her and me cycling alongside.

I have great respect for somebody who just does such major feats without support or fuss. I heard her on the radio in the same program as somebody who thought it was a big deal to drive to and in Kenya in a very expensive 4x4, such a contrast!

Re: The People you Meet

2 July 2015 - 11:16am
While i have no doubt he is a nice chap, geezo that website is as dry as bones.

Re: Sabotage and hatred: what have people got against cyclis

2 July 2015 - 11:10am
I think that it is more likely that there is a type of person out there who is looking for somebody to hurt.
They dont really have any deep down hatred of cyclists in particular, it is more that they are a vulnerable out group who you can pretty much attack without much fear of activating any Police response.
Also the media and the likes of Jeremy Clarkson have given the green light that they are a group that you can legally vilify, which is the first step to making them a handy target when out looking for "fun".

In the 1970s they would have gone out looking for recent arrivals from Pakistan to beat up.

I have had incidents where I reckon I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, it would have been worse if I had been a lone woman walking there, they were just looking for trouble, a cyclist is a "legitimate" target but they hadnt gone out looking for cyclists, so much as looking for trouble.

Re: Pollution - another problem

2 July 2015 - 10:38am
661-Pete wrote:Should I make a complaint to the bus company?Maybe, but definitely report to VOSA:
The Government's Vehicle and Operator Services Agency (VOSA) will investigate any complaint relating to a smoky bus or lorry. To report a problem:

0870 60 60 440 - VOSA National Helpline
VOSA: Smoky Vehicle Report Form

VOSA will need certain information if you want to report a suspected smoky vehicle. It is not possible to follow up any report without the details below.

Type of Vehicle (HGV or PSV)
Vehicle Registration Mark
Company Name (if apparent)
Road Name / Number where the vehicle can be seen
Date and Time of Sighting

HTH

Re: Route from Oxford Road to Media City?

2 July 2015 - 10:13am
Pete Owens wrote:mjr wrote:That's not on the route, is it?

It is certainly on A route:
http://madcyclelanesofmanchester.blogspot.co.uk/2011/02/irwell-rive-park-part-1-river-park.html
Oh sure, but we could all post whatever obstructions exist from whatever cycle route and it would still be off-topic.

You can download Manchester Cycle maps from here:
http://cycling.tfgm.com/Pages/Cycle-Maps.aspx
...which doesn't show the gates if they're where I think they are. Better to use cycle.travel or OpenStreetMap.org on cycle layer view and there's more chance that someone will have marked such obstructions on the map.

Re: Pollution - another problem

2 July 2015 - 10:05am
broadway wrote:AFAIK smoke will still cause a failure.
Yeah, but the great thing about old diesels is that if you boot them hard in a low gear for a few hundred meters then once they've made the sky go dark they'll usually sail through the tests and be good for another few miles at least!
So it's all good...

Re: Route from Oxford Road to Media City?

2 July 2015 - 10:04am
Cheers guys. Think I'll use the tram initially and do a bit of exploring. (There's no guarantee I can get my bike on the train - they're pretty busy that time in the morning).

Re: The People you Meet

2 July 2015 - 8:54am
I met http://www.cellojoe.com/p/videos_22.html who was cycling with a bunch of other musicians from Harwich to join various festivals in the UK. Their first stop, IIRC was Camden Green Fair.

I also met a lovely older gent in my area who I used to stop and chat with. The first time, we met near the bike stands at the supermarket in town. I think he he asked about my trailer. After that, I saw him from time to time, cycling on the road into town, or at one or another of the bike stands in town. He was a wheel builder. I gathered 40ish years ago he'd had a bit of a reputation that way in the area, but he had only done things for himself and friends for some years, and the club he had ridden with had disbanded. He was a lovely gent and absolutely full of British bicycle trivia. He also knew all of the bikes around town and had some funny commentary about them and their riders.

I met two couples tandeming together to Norfolk once. Their grandparents had come from the same village in Norfolk, but these couples ended up neighbors somewhere south of us (I think it was Sussex, but I don't recall for certain), so they were off on their tandems to the village where their grandparents came from, to see the church, and see if they could find the houses where they lived and things.

In another part of the country (some miles removed from home territory) I was stopped by another cyclist once because I was in club kit. The cyclist wanted to ask about a club mate and said they been good mates some years before, but had fallen out of touch, and would say I hello for him?

Re: The People you Meet

2 July 2015 - 8:47am
http://www.mrspreadsheet.co.uk

From Poole, able to run his business from anywhere, with his notebook. He took a notion to cycling E2E do he bought a bike and did it. I think his usual fitness haunt was a Squash court but had also canoed and walked big distances throughout Europe.

Re: The People you Meet

2 July 2015 - 8:26am
No returns for Mr. Spreadsheet? I like the story about the couple going to Skye to get married, thats lovely.

Re: Another death and inadequate sentence

2 July 2015 - 7:13am
irc wrote:AlaninWales wrote: So far I suspect that (a) it is not and (b) the figures are (probably) roughly of the same order of magnitude.


Agreed. In a ped/cyclist collision it will come down to luck and the age and fitness of the participants as to who comes off worse I think.
Age and fitness are likely (in his country) to favour the cyclist. Although I suspect the cyclist is also disadvantaged due to the initial energy distribution.

Re: Another death and inadequate sentence

1 July 2015 - 9:43pm
AlaninWales wrote: So far I suspect that (a) it is not and (b) the figures are (probably) roughly of the same order of magnitude.


Agreed. In a ped/cyclist collision it will come down to luck and the age and fitness of the participants as to who comes off worse I think.

Re: Route from Oxford Road to Media City?

1 July 2015 - 8:46pm
mjr wrote:That's not on the route, is it?

It is certainly on A route:
http://madcyclelanesofmanchester.blogspot.co.uk/2011/02/irwell-rive-park-part-1-river-park.html

You can download Manchester Cycle maps from here:
http://cycling.tfgm.com/Pages/Cycle-Maps.aspx

Re: Another death and inadequate sentence

1 July 2015 - 8:12pm
AlaninWales wrote:although whether 'caused by' the pedestrian can be inferred from 'involving a pedestrian I am unsure.
The same is true of incidents where pedestrians died in collisions with cyclists. Blame is not shown in statistics. All we know from stats is that a certain number of pedestrians died in collision with cyclists. But the number of incidents is fairly small, so we can probably list them and find out what happened in any subsequent court proceedings - at least when it was the pedestrian that was killed.

It is actually impossible to count cyclists killed in accidents with pedestrians in the national statistical database. The statistics do not record the participation of a pedestrian in a road traffic accident (RTA) except where the pedestrian was sufficiently injured to be recordable. We can thus count incidents where a pedestrian is KSA (killed or seriously injured) in a RTA with a cyclist, and also incidents where both were KSA. But a ped/cyclist collision where only the cyclist was KSA appears in the statistics as a one-participant accident.

I downloaded the national RTA database to try and count these things once, which is why I know it can't be done. A trickle of news reports coming in at 1 per year of cyclists killed by the fault of pedestrians is about the best we can do to estimate the rate.

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