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Re: Why are cycle paths so bumpy? And narrow?

13 February 2016 - 12:18pm
Tbh, I've not noticed that the paths around the QE are especially bumpy. I ride a tourer with 1.5 tyres and have no problems. I've not really noticed many coming to sudden stops and not going anywhere. They link the uni, hospital, canal (access to be improved), paths along side the busy A38, the nee Bournebrook path out to Woodgate country park, and the Mosley route to cannon hill park and the city centre.
I agree that the width can be questionable in places...this is sometimes due to having to fit them onto pavements where it was never originally even considered that bike paths may one day be required. In other places there had to be a compromise with Parks, etc.
There are some elements of very bad design..such as running through bus stops, and the spray'n'chip in places.
Overall they fall short of the N.Euro ideal but make the arts much nicer to cycle in than 20 yrs ago when I used to commute through there.

Re: Why are cycle paths so bumpy? And narrow?

13 February 2016 - 12:01pm
rmurphy195 wrote:And why do they end - well, nowhere? e.g. you have a cycle lane laid along a footway (shared space) - and suddenly you get a sign saying "End of Cycle Path" - with nowhere to go, not even a ramp onto the roadway! Are you simply viewed as a pedestrian who rides a bike along some of your journey?
Like this in Tonbridge High Street it just ends . Surface is fine though.
And part is two way. Words fail me!

Re: The French are just as stupid?

13 February 2016 - 11:40am
Grandad wrote:

One of the many who rode through this during a 100k Audax a few years ago.

Thoughts of having to re-grease the hubs would have had me walking with the bike on my shoulder. Does that make me a bit sad? Probably.

Re: Why are cycle paths so bumpy? And narrow?

13 February 2016 - 11:33am
Having worked for a charity /company that organised the creation of Community Routes (we avoided the divisive tag of "cycle track" because we saw pedestrians as part of our user group) I agree with the comments of the OP. The short answer to question of why the tracks are often inadequate is MONEY, and the need to get X kilometres done for a certain level of available funds.

On a technical point, wider tracks are easier to lay smoothly than narrow tracks because on the wider tracks (typically former rail tracks) you can use the large tarmac laying machines used to lay roads. You hire the services of a road laying company for a week or so and a lovely, wide, smooth track appears out of nowhere. The narrower and more fiddly the track, the less you can use the sort of machinery that produces an even surface.

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

13 February 2016 - 8:42am
People eventually break. What happened to the cyclist was a travesty...a complete shambles. The injured cyclist was,in my opinion,psycholgically raped with his perceptions of due process,an equitable hearing being taken from him and destroyed. In my eyes its called abuse.I'm pleased he seems to have taken it so 'well'. I am sorry I cannot reference some adjudicators/judges now calling for compo for themselves: they're out there. I haven't got the time Now the adjudicators are being threatened by those who are called to justice or don't see it correctly applied. I don't condone it,I understand it. The judicial system is being cut: beneath or above a financial limit you're not represented or representation may ruin you: you're dismissed.
Remember the barrow boy in Tunisia who set of the whole Arab Spring. He couldn't take any more. The imposition of unfair taxes,no proper representation...it's why unrest happens. No one hears? Then things get violent. Look at Ireland. For the most part things bump along. For the most part people grudgingly accept that which is ordered down. I am afraid only through shouting out will you get heard. Protest excites attention. Linked but removed,most what we have today hasn't come through he beneficence of august bodies and generous handouts but by greater people than ourselves taking on indifference,complience,'corruption'.

The adjudicator at this cyclists Hearing will probably think he/she has done a good job. No concern raised. Carry on as usual.

The fish rots at the head. I think that's another Italian saying

Re: Why are cycle paths so bumpy? And narrow?

13 February 2016 - 8:41am
As above, not designed by cyclist who have no idea what cycling is like, we all ride ATB's that can go any surface don't we????????????

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

13 February 2016 - 12:07am
tyreon wrote:Its why the Italians go to the Ndraghetta to sort stuff out. Sad but salient
I have this vision of our beleaguered motorist waking up one morning and finding the sawn-off steering wheel of his beloved Beemer at the foot of his bed.....

Re: Why are cycle paths so bumpy? And narrow?

12 February 2016 - 11:50pm
Because they are designed and built by people who are primarily drivers, in the hopes that we will get out of the way.

Re: Why are cycle paths so bumpy? And narrow?

12 February 2016 - 11:12pm
There's a road I ride often that has a wide path on one side that's mixed use. I never use it these days because it weaves in and out a lot because it follows the river whereas the road is straight. When I stopped using it I learnt that it's a slower surface. It's smooth enough but compared to the newly surfaced road surface it just feels harder to ride on.

Re: Why are cycle paths so bumpy? And narrow?

12 February 2016 - 10:18pm
If you watch workers laying tarmac for cycle or footpaths, they tend to unload it from the tarmac lorry a pile at a time, then rake it flat and roller it.
This means that the point where the pile first falls is a bit denser than the rest of the raked-out part and after a little while the less dense areas subside a bit, leaving a lumpy rippled effect.
What they need is a mini version of the road tarmac machines that deposit it evenly!
I find I often end up riding on the road, even when there is a cycle path because of this. Then, of course, the 4 wheeled numpties shout that I should be on the cycle path!!

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

12 February 2016 - 10:01pm
+1
There's no place in the world anymore (if there ever was) for Neanderthals, myself included.
Better to walk away with a bit of dignity than to throw a tantrum and be stared at.

Re: Too many vehicles!!!

12 February 2016 - 9:39pm
But Simons point is relevant and not really political as it affects anyone of any political view. But returning to bikes, surely if we give everyone, in poor/undeveloped nations, bikes then one day they'll want motorbikes/scooters then cars..... they're all human and will follow the same progression as the western nations where the car is impinging on quality of life for many. So the bike could be its own worst enemy. I think china is sort of going that way, quite worrying. But the fewer people then the fewer cars so population needs to be kept in check..... from Hans Roeslings stats it looks to peak at 11 billion and plateau but we're at 7 billion now another 4 billion is crazy. Not good.

Re: The French are just as stupid?

12 February 2016 - 9:29pm


One of the many who rode through this during a 100k Audax a few years ago.

Re: Too many vehicles!!!

12 February 2016 - 9:18pm
simonineaston wrote:Too many humans, full stop. This morning, I was listening to Bill Gates, on DID - nice bloke, don't get me wrong, but he was banging on about ending malaria and saving lives and I thought, "Weird - for a bright bloke, you just don't get it... we don't need more people on this earth, we need LESS, so spend all that money thinking of ways we could get rid of them some of them!"

Lets keep politics out of this forum; it's surely meant to be about bikes.

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

12 February 2016 - 8:28pm
If he had done as you suggested, he'd have been done for contempt of court if he'd done it in court during the trial, or he would have compromised the trial if he'd said it anywhere else before the trial.
He has done the only thing he could have done.
And he has certainly not 'failed'.

Re: Why are cycle paths so bumpy? And narrow?

12 February 2016 - 8:21pm
Ripples and bumps? Wish I only had those problems on my commuting route. Apart from the usual bumpy road surface there's bodged utility repairs ranging from depressions through wheel sized grooves where they meet the original surface to whole chunks just disappeared so they're now potholes. Then there's whole stretches where there's so many potholes you can't safely weave around them. Plus later on in my ride home a whole new set of potholes appeared overnight. These are on the most narrow section of main road where it bends consistently for almost a mile. With heavy vehicles going both ways, double white lines and you have to pull out last.minute or ride through 2" deep potholes.

Rant over but I've hit two potholes in the last month each gave a loud bang that I'm not completely sure didn't cause damage. I'm sure I'm not alone with.this experience but if you've got ripples and rough cycle paths apart from roads then it's at least something. My commute only has a canal as the alternative route that's off road for part of my journey. It goes all around the houses taking me half as long again as my road route, double if I try to catch it earlier in my ride home.

AFAIK councils probably have a requirement to provide at least a certain distance of cycle paths. They do not have any regulations as to the minimum standards they have to be to pass planning process. At least not the way most types of highways have standards. There's even regulations over the signage and cones needed for roadworks apparently let alone junction design, etc. To not have something similar for cycle paths is short sighted and results in poor surfaces/narrow paths, very short runs directing cyclists towards dangerous places to rejoin a carriageway and paths that's not even in a useful place. However each of these will still count as cycle paths good enough to be included in any measure of a council's performance in cycle infrastructure.

We're a nation of motorists not cyclists. Unless cycling becomes a normal part of the nation's life you will never get a critical mass to drive infrastructure spend for cycling to improve and create more.

We need the Danish or Dutch attitude to using bikes in day to day life. Until then I'm happy doing my bit 3 to 5 days per week commuting plus weekend leisure rides. We're also giving cycling experience to our young son, with the intention to make it normal to cycle places for him. Think global act local is a good phrase. I prefer think national by supporting CTC or cycle campaigns but act local or personal by getting out on my bike as part of my normal life. Lancaster, IMHO, is not a bad city to cycle in overall, it's just the road isn't maintained which is the LCC's responsibility.

Re: The French are just as stupid?

12 February 2016 - 7:40pm
661-Pete wrote:mercalia wrote:The French are just as stupid?


there was a story about a guy here on his bike had to be rescued from floods after he tried to cycle thru it, remember it any one?

Re: Why are cycle paths so bumpy? And narrow?

12 February 2016 - 7:36pm
cause they are cheaply made, not up to the standard of the main road. Last summer the powers were surfacing a bit of the NCR 1 I think it is, from Dartford to Graves end. Only a small section; and they had a mini roller yet still after all the work it wasnt flat, ripples every so many yards, yes very low level but still bad enough to irritate on your bike. Dont know what they were doing wrong as there were enough workers there ( doing nothing )

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