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Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

29 August 2015 - 11:55pm
There's one bloke on YouTube, I can't remember his name, who has a cam and you hear him shouting out the registration number of every car that passes him at what he thinks is too close a distance. He then hares after them, and if he catches them at lights etc he remonstrates with them and shouts like a nutter that they can't drive and that "you're on camera mate, go on, keep going, you're on camera". Sometimes I think some people do bring it on themselves.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

29 August 2015 - 11:27pm
Nah - motorists just don't like the thought that their behaviour - which they recognise as unsanctionable - is available for others to view.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

29 August 2015 - 11:00pm
I agree, some are either looking for conflict or blow up big time when something happens. Only a minority of cyclists fall into this group but they are a very loud minority.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

29 August 2015 - 10:54pm
I'd agree with most of what is said in the Huffington Post article.

The other night I was at a loose end and spent a few hours surfing around YouTube looking at the cycling videos. The main observations I made was that some cyclists seem to have much more bad luck than the average cyclist. I do wonder whether some of the cyclists that have all this bad luck actually go out looking for it. I'm not talking about the fella who got assaulted for what appeared to be an unprovoked assault on the cyclist. However, the UphillFreeWheeler fella, having looked at his other videos - he is a wind-up merchant.

A few years ago, when I drove my car I used to drive like the majority of other drivers in a busy city like Sheffield. I was aggressive and the piece of road that I was on was MY piece of road. How dare someone pull out in front of me - the fact that if I just eased off the loud pedal meant that someone could pull out quite easily, however I wouldn't ease off. When I started walking home from work I'd walk past a roundabout called University Roundabout - the A57 meets the A61 plus another side road. I've stood there and watched people on that roundabout with the same mentality that I had. Mothers with children in the back, pensioners, people that you wouldn't expect would have a red mist in front of their eyes as soon as they entered the roundabout. They would speed up just so that they could give a blast on the horn at someone else. Now when I drive I tend to drive with a more light hearted manner - an inner feeling of peace, so to say. My drive is much more relaxed and I can't remember the last time that I had an 'incident'.

I think that I ride my bike the same way that I now drive. It could be that some cars cut in too quickly on me after overtaking - but easing back means that I am kept safe. I may still get the occasional close pass but what good is chasing after a car and then ranting and raving going to do? If I were to do that, what is the car driver behind me going to remember - me effing away or the person who has performed the close pass? However, I'm sure that some following car drivers do notice close passes and respect me more when I don't react adversely to bad driving from drivers. I also know where the hot spots are on my journey - the places where cars and bikes don't mix as well and I'm more careful. If I really wanted I could try and cause conflict at these points.

Anyway, long story but I do wonder whether some (not all) of these cyclists with head cams do go out of their way to cause conflict and some motorists have noticed this and are getting a bit peeved off with all cyclists with head cams.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

29 August 2015 - 10:47pm
Must be a quiet news day.

Re: some parents have more money than sense?

29 August 2015 - 8:59pm
Agree with the idea that good kids bikes hold their value and can be sold on. It brings to mind reading somewhere that Miele are really quite cheap washing machines...due to their long life. Compared to cars, car servicing, TVs and subscriptions its long overdue that we devoted more of our income into bikes and no reason at all that kids should have the lowest quality.

Re: Shame more don't take this stance with traffic offences.

29 August 2015 - 8:37pm
[quote="Tangled Metal"]I I wonder if in time there will be a means to prevent cars starting without a valid licence? Imagine that your driver's key had the state of your licence programmed in so the car can check if you are allowed to drive before starting. Or perhaps a key and separate licence slot. Without both the car won't start. Reckon the technology is there. I mean that licence could also contain your insurance details and the state of the car's MOT certificate. If you do not have all these things in place the car won't start. Add in breathalizer and you might cut a few problems with the current system...might![/quote ]

Sounds good to me. It would probably have to be agreed at the EU level so worth hassling your MEP.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

29 August 2015 - 6:22pm
I suggest all read

http://www.abd.org.uk/

an organisation, that denies climate change, is against the lowering of drink-drive limits etc. etc.

Huffington Post should really take more notice of the origins of press releases!

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

29 August 2015 - 6:20pm
From the linked article"
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/08/29/cyclists-with-helmet-cams-blamed-for-inflaming-road-rage-incidents_n_8042730.html?utm_hp_ref=uk wrote:Stephen Perrin uploaded a video in 2013, which showed him being knocked off his bike, and repeatedly punched by a van driver in Birmingham. While not charged by police the motorist involved suffered unduly in the court of public opinion after being identified by locals.

Perrin told The Guardian at the time: "I put the video online because it needs to be seen, but the grief he and his family have got since from trolls and the like disgusts me."

The consequences of the driver's actions got "out of hand" after former Olympic champion Chris Boardman saw the video and passed on the link to his 80,000 Twitter followers, querying why police didn't lay charges. The motorist was made to apologise to Perrin and pay him compensation.

Perrin said: "The driver has a small business and I don't want to see him run out of town because of the abuse he's getting. Obviously what he did that day was his fault and I do feel there should have been criminal consequences for it, but a few idiots online always take things too far."
Thinking about this incident, I suspect things would have gone far better had the Police actually done something (e.g. prosecute, court, punish the guilty). That they do nothing means the victim feels bad and seeks reassurance of others that they were not in the wrong, that they were hard done by, etc. To my mind, this particular incident where the "trial by social media" made life nasty for the perpetrator was probably caused by the Police deciding to do nothing (even when it sounds like they had good evidence of the assault). Let the courts select a punishment and people feel justice has happened (even if they think the sentencing wrong). Let the attacker off without even a "day in court" and victim(s) feel(s) aggrieved.

Ian

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

29 August 2015 - 6:18pm
Well, I don't have a helmet camera for the simple reason that I don't wear a h****t (but please don't let's make this a 'lid' debate!). So my camera sits on my handlebar. It's probably less conspicuous there, and possibly people may think it's a lamp. The downside is, it doesn't turn with my head so it doesn't always 'see' what my eyes see. Also, it picks up more road noise.

Anyway, no aggro thus far, not even any reportable incident (apart from a smoke-emitting bus which I reported to the bus company - no response ).

If I were involved in an 'incident', the last thing I'd want to do is draw attention to my camera. That's for later, and the police, if they're involved and interested. Or Youtube if it's a minor infraction. If the offender notices the camera and makes an issue of it, too bad. Many motorists now use dashcams anyway, it's not just cyclists...

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

29 August 2015 - 5:51pm
I got a helmet cam some years back after I was subjected to a road rage attack by a motorist. I had cause to report a few incidents of dangerous driving but most of these were ignored. I haven't used it recently - new jobs meant different commutes on generally agro free roads. My current commute is only a mile and half and as I am riding a bright eight and a half foot long cargo bike I don't even feel the need to wear a helmet. Still get the odd bit of abuse but nothing worth mentioning.

Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

29 August 2015 - 4:18pm
It had to happen. The reason there are so many road rage incidents against cyclist is because of helmet cams and not the fact that there was
road rage incidents before only the cyclist never had a cam to record the incident and the police would not do anything without proof (or if the cyclist bothered reporting the incident in the first place).

Seems the CTC are joining in with the next issue of the Magazine on how to video correctly to get evidence and as usual the Police don't say much


Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road Rage Incidents, Motoring Body Claims As It Brands Cyclists 'Self-Righteous'

Huffington Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/08 ... _hp_ref=uk

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

29 August 2015 - 4:07pm
kuba wrote:irc wrote:I've had people attempt something similar with no provocation.

Interesting, nothing similar ever happened to me and I cycle thousands of miles each year. So I guess it must have something to do with the way you behave on the road.


Just because it hasn't happend to you yet why is it that the person who has had a incident be at fault!?
That's just a stupid comment

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

29 August 2015 - 3:37pm
irc wrote:I've had people attempt something similar with no provocation.

Interesting, nothing similar ever happened to me and I cycle thousands of miles each year. So I guess it must have something to do with the way you behave on the road.

Re: Cycling Tips 1936

29 August 2015 - 2:24pm
Long experience with tramlines, I'd guess.

Looks as if she's on a fixie.

Re: losing the stabilisers

29 August 2015 - 1:24pm
One of the best parts of New Forest Cycling is, when spurred by the other kids on the campsite, a child sets off on their own around the campsite under their own steam.

Check out Bolton hot wheels or Ribble Valley Juniors. Pity it is this end of the summer that your little one has taken off by herself. Ribble Juniors have Tuesday evening track sessions at the Preston Arena where bike handling skills are taught. Alternatively on non-match days there are plenty of cones and space on Bolton Wanderers car park.....

http://rvjuniors.co.uk/

http://www.boltonhotwheelscc.org.uk/

Re: losing the stabilisers

29 August 2015 - 12:09pm
Yep, stabilisers are the brew of the devil. I think that it's easier to teach a child whose never used them than one who has.

Well done Vantage, good work.

For those approaching the task of teaching their child to balance there is quite a good page and video here: http://www.ctc.org.uk/guide/teach-child-ride-bike

Re: Cycling Tips 1936

29 August 2015 - 11:48am
Regarding the brake on the left of the bike, I heard that the reason that most bikes have the rear brake on the left in the UK is so that you have more control over the bike when signalling to turn right - the assumption being that the rear brake gives more control. In countries where traffic is on the right hand side of the road, the brakes are the other way round (apparently).

What surprised me about the clip was the shallow angle that she crossed those tram tracks.

Re: losing the stabilisers

29 August 2015 - 11:35am
Well done! You should be looking forward to the years to come when she'll be dropping you on the sprints and the climbs!

I remember, I never had stabilisers, I graduated straight from tricycle to two wheels and I'm fairly sure I mastered the balance thing and was riding confidently on the road, within less than a day. I remember my mother coming home from work and being amazed at the progress I'd made. I would have been about eight or nine at the time. My sister took a while longer, she had been on stabilisers. I have in my possession some charming 8mm footage of her first attempts, not very successful, at starting herself going on two wheels for the first time. Eventually, as the film shows, she made it, albeit rather wobbly.

Re: Shoreham air crash

29 August 2015 - 11:25am
Brucey wrote:Flinders wrote:It's still ridiculous, I'm afraid, to suggest that someone driving past a piece of land should be regarded as accepting the risk of things that may be taking place there....

I live near an airfield, with whom I have no problems, and was only the other day driving down the M1 past Kegworth. And I can see, if you can't, the difference between a commercial aircraft that has to have a flight path over roads because there is no other way....
I can see where you are coming from but I don't agree. You choose where you go and the risks are different wherever that is. Not all public roads are equally safe and if most people don't think about that when they are driving around, more fool them.
I think a lot depends on the detail. Not necessarily relevant to the Shoreham tragedy, but if you check out an area in detail, buy a house there 'cos all looks safe and then a few years later somebody comes along and builds e.g. an incinerator (health risks) next door then you don't have a choice. Were people driving along the road there "by choice" or not (e.g. going to do the shopping is something you pretty well have to do whilst going to watch an air display (e.g. from outside the airfield) is something you do have a choice about. Where I feel the case against something is stronger is when it is impacting people who don't really have much choice (or limited choice).

For example, I'm afraid I have less sympathy for people who buy a house at the end of a busy runway then complain about the noise yet have a lot of sympathy for people who buy a house in a quiet area then somebody comes along and builds a runway ending by their house.

Technically most people pretty well always "have a choice" and it comes down to a question of degree. People having to go shopping could delay their trip until after external high risks have passed and maybe e.g. miss taking their kids out to football ... People who have a runway build beside their house could sell-up at a massive loss.

Ian

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