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Re: bicycle trailers

4 hours 8 min ago
Note that the double seaters normally have three crotch straps, allowing a single child to be carried in the central position using the left hand shoulder and waist straps of the right hand seat and vice versa

Re: 50 mph for lorries

4 hours 29 min ago
IMO it is very sensible, but even if adopted (can you imagine the 'war on the motorist' cries) how could it ever be enforced, given that the 30mph limit in towns is almost invariably flouted with impunity?

Re: 50 mph for lorries

5 hours 52 min ago
There is a draft on the .gov.uk website which for rural road carrying through traffic suggests a mixture of 60,50 and 40 limits. Seems sensible. No idea whether it ever got beyond the draft stage though.

Speed limit(mph)
Where limit should apply:
Recommended for most high quality strategic A and B roads with few bends, junctions or accesses.

Should be considered for lower quality A and B roads that may have a relatively high number of bends, junctions or accesses. Can also be considered where mean speeds are below 50 mph, so lower limit does not interfere with traffic flow.

Should be considered where there are many bends, junctions or accesses, substantial development, a strong environmental or landscape reason, or where there are considerable numbers of vulnerable road users

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... limits.pdf

Re: 50 mph for lorries

6 hours 24 min ago
There's a big difference between the safe speed on a clear straight road and a safe speed when there's a cyclist up ahead or where there's a bend you cannot see around. Whilst there is (in theory) no need for a speed limit if everyone drives sensibly, history shows us that this leads to huge numbers of deaths. The unfortunate side effect is that when we have speed limits they become speed targets or speed expectations. This expectation creates a sense of entitlement and impatience where people forget simple rules of driving such as slowing when passing vulnerable road users or waiting behind to overtake, or even being able to stop within the distance which can be seen to be clear. The only thing which can be done about this (in the absence of any will to hold drivers responsible when they maim and kill) is to lower speed limits so that the de facto speed target is lower. This lowers their capacity to create carnage and gives them more time to react when they go round a corner only to realise there is someone in the road

60 mph is too high for the vast majority of single carriageway roads. I would prefer that the national speed limit were 50 for all vehicles, with the possibility of of higher speed limits where justified.

Re: 50 mph for lorries

6 hours 35 min ago
60 mph is too high for the vast majority of single carriageway roads. I would prefer that the national speed limit were 50 for all vehicles, with the possibility of of higher speed limits where justified.

Re: 50 mph for lorries

6 hours 50 min ago
Ayesha wrote:To make everyone safer, the rural single carriageway limit should be fixed at 45 mph for all vehicles. The ACPO guidelines would then be 52 mph.

Blanket rules seldom work. In most traffic conditions the single carriageway A9 north of Perth is perfectly safe for cars at 60mph or more. It is a bypass built in the 1970s that avoids all the towns and villages. The old road still exists nearby most of the time and is a good cycling route.

The fact that on the A9 from Perth to Inverness, a wide road with low even gradients and good sight lines everywhere had Tesco lorries traveling at 38mph with very few overtaking chances in busy times was bound to lead to dangerous frustration overtakes. I think the trial HGV 50mph limit along with average speed cameras will work well.

I agree there are many rural single carriageways where 60mph is too high though I think a 50mph limit would be low enough in many places and would have more chance of getting public support. In any case outright speed is seldom the issue. Every cycling near miss I can think of on rural roads involved vehicles I believe were under the limit. Bad driving is the problem not in most cases too high a speed limit.

Re: bicycle trailers

6 hours 56 min ago
I ferried my two girls around in a halfords trailer from if memory serves, 1 year old till the eldest was 9 years old when the trailer hitch finally snapped.
The kids loved it, especially going over speed humps and around tight corners. They always had their drinks bottles and snacks to hand in the little side pockets and of course, as many teddies as they could squeeze in.
Since the first I used it, drivers always gave a ton of room when passing and were always incredibly patient around us. It was as if I had a nuclear bomb strapped to it, no one ever did anything remotely stupid around it.
The trailer was also used for carrying the shopping home and even helped when moving house.
£70 for 8 years of perfectly safe, fun and practical cycling, hard to top that

Ps, I'd recommend going for a double seater over a single for the extra stability and room. They're great for changing nappies too

Re: bicycle trailers

7 hours 10 min ago
Thanks guys. It gives me a little more confidence to give it a go knowing that others do it as well. I think Im gonna head over to Halfords in the next few weeks to have a look at the trailers and seats to weigh (literally) up my options. I prefer the trailer idea but it all depends on weight as our trip home is up hill (all the way)

Thanks again


Re: 50 mph for lorries

8 hours 51 min ago
My commute includes approx. 15 miles of 50 mph rural single carriageway A roads. In my experience, if there is traffic approaching from ahead, lorries slow down until they have opportunity to pass.
When this happens, if there is a chance for me to pull aside to let the lorry pass, I will, and I get a cheery toot from the driver.
IMO, there is a more frequent and greater danger to me from cars at 55 – 60 mph who do not pass with enough gap.

To make everyone safer, the rural single carriageway limit should be fixed at 45 mph for all vehicles. The ACPO guidelines would then be 52 mph.

Re: Cyclsit just fails to get Darwin award

9 hours 43 min ago
Was thinking about this thread when I went through this junction 2 days ago (driving), and turned off to the Booths I refer to... Where I witnessed an outburst from a ped who nearly got run over by one of the standardly unaware drivers of expensive cars.

Later on the bike, I avoided it in one direction by taking the canal (Lanc- Preston, I think I still have some aches), and the lanes in the other. Far nicer to avoid that road. Besides, it's largely covered in new stretches of dressing. Oh joy.

Re: bicycle trailers

12 hours 49 min ago
My kids love it - although school isn't far enough away to warrant getting it out.

I recall that the Germans have done (limited) studies, but that they reckon that a trailer is safer than a child seat - they're still vulnerable to a large lump of metal actually hitting them, but falls etc are much better protected in a trailer.

It's the general experience on this forum that trailers get alot more space than "just" bikes, so makes the ride subjectively nicer as well.

You will want lower gears as they grow towards the weight limit of the trailer, but they are great. Oh - and hopefully your kids get on Give them a snack/book/toy or get them to play I spy.

Re: Cyclsit just fails to get Darwin award

19 hours 41 min ago
eileithyia wrote:In future many of us will not be able to hear traffic, simply because of loss of hearing as we age or due to the increase in electric cars. I was nearly run over by a car which suddenly started reversing out of a parking spot recently. I knew the lady was sat in it, but had never heard the engine start up (thus alerting me to her moving) and nor did I hear an engine ...... So it is pointless to rely on hearing alone to alert us to traffic.... so the use of ear phones is a complete Red Herring as far as I am concerned.
But if she didn't look behind her before turning across a fast road and didn't look in front of her either as seems to have been the case,should she have even been there?
Let alone been there wearing headphones.

As for the rest, well yes she probably was being a numpty
If the blogger's description of the incident is to be believed she most certainly is a numpty.
but if you are never taught to use gears then you will never know it is easier to start off in a lower gear, we all started somewhere.....
If she's so incompetent/unlearned/ignorant of the machine she's in charge of,then she should have dismounted and walked rather than do what she did.
We all started somewhere,but on that particular road at that particular junction(which I know all too well)most definitely isn't a good place for anyone to start learning.
Assuming the lady in question was an adult of sound body and mind,she lacked any shred of common sense,let alone road sense.

Meanwhile on a driving forum two more drivers post their side of the story concluding ''bloody cyclists''
And we all suffer some of that .

Re: bicycle trailers

24 July 2014 - 10:42pm
Doesn't answer your question, but I was walking towards town today. Approaching the brow of a hill, I was overtaken by a mum, towing two kids in a trailer. Understandably, she was puffing a bit, and telling the kids that it was a bit of a hill. The reply was:

"Are we going to go down the big hill?"


"Oh good, we can go 'Weeeeee'."

Re: bicycle trailers

24 July 2014 - 10:15pm
Welcome to the forum.

Mini-me did the nursery run and swimming pool trips with me regularly by trailer. By school age he'd outgrown the trailer. Check the weight capacity and dimensions of any trailer you are considering (internal sizes do vary).

bicycle trailers

24 July 2014 - 9:33pm
Hi guys.

Am new to the forum but wanted to ask if anyone uses a bicycle trailer to ferry the kids to and from school. I am considering getting one for the urban commute but the safety aspect is making me think twice. There are fairly decent cycle lanes en route but you do have to join general traffic at times

Thanks Jon

Re: E petition surfacing redressing

24 July 2014 - 8:32pm
[XAP]Bob wrote:After the initial surface dressing operation and first vacuum-sweep of loose chippings, the roads are swept at seven days and six-week intervals to ensure safety of all road users. Typically 10% of chippings are swept up over the six-week period and recycled for more surface dressing work on other less busy rural roads to ensure no materials are wasted.

That's from my local council.

Although I know of roads which had piles of gravel for months.

A section of main road in a nearby village was done last year- there were piles of chippings all across the road and on the pavements for weeks, the gutters were worse, they must have been at least 2" deep with chippings a foot or more out into the road, and even cars and lorries were skidding when trying to brake for the mini roundabout at the end of the stretch of chippings (it isn't possible for traffic to be going anything other than very slowly there to start with due to double parking, so they weren't going fast). it would have been lethal for a bike. It was also done on top of a badly patched, and in some places unpatched but terrible, surface with dips, holes and cracks everywhere. As soon as the chippings got back to vaguely safe proportions, the surface was cracking and breaking up again, but with a think layer of chippings all over the pavement and road to add to the woe.

Further to my post above, they've just given less than 24 hours notice that they're doing my road. I cannot see a single crack or hole anywhere on it. However, roads nearby have grass growing up the middle it's so long since they were cleaned, and have surfaces with huge and deep potholes, huge cracks, and parts where the broken up edges meet the piles of mud, gravel clay and potholes working out from the middle, especially where there are overhanging trees, leaving nowhere safe even for a narrow cycle tyre to pass. Drainage is so bad that even now there are puddles on some of them. No plans to do anything about any of that that we know of.

It's annoying when drivers say they want us off main roads onto side-roads, but the side roads are dangerous or, in some cases when it has rained, impassable.

Re: 50 mph for lorries

24 July 2014 - 7:05pm
A while back, I was driving our Clio down the A388 towards Plymouth and was behind a Texaco tanker.
On the long downhill stretches, he topped more than 60mph as he was pulling away from me! The road is single carriageway down to Saltash.

At the back of the tanker, was a "Well Driven?" label and a telephone number. The registration number of the tanker was easy to remember, and the phone number too. I was behind it for 15 or 20 minutes so I had time to commit it to memory.

I pulled over near Saltash and wrote the facts down, and later that day I gave them a ring. A few days went by and I received a very nice official letter to tell me that the driver of the tanker was being "re-briefed" and "re-trained".

I drive the community bus. 50mph on single carriageways, 60mph on dual carriageways.

Re: So much for a Road Safety organisation

24 July 2014 - 7:02pm
For transport it's per mile, for leisure it's per hour

Re: 50 mph for lorries

24 July 2014 - 6:57pm
LollyKat wrote:I was surprised when I heard this on the news today - I wasn't aware that there was a 40mph limit for lorries on such roads. I've never noticed a lorry sticking to it...

Same with me until about 9 months ago.
I mentioned it to a friend (ex-lorry driver) that I had been stuck behind a lorry only doing 40. That's when he told me about their speed limit.
I have seen only one lorry with the 40 sticker on the back.
Just for info' a car towing a caravan it's 50 mph on a single carriageway.

Re: Triumph of HiViz over common sense?

24 July 2014 - 6:40pm
This guy could confirm the perception of the 'normal' cyclist. Have spent a while trawling various forums reading about bike v car conflict. Loads of arguments, supporting all sorts of theories. I think this probably supports my personal findings. The less cycling specific clothes I wear the more space space and tolerance I seem to be given. Helmet and high vis, take your bloody elbow off. Cycled usual main road route today in floppy hat, tee shirt and shorts, given loads of space, by 95 percent of all types of traffic.


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