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Re: Help with choosing bike type and/or commute through Lond

21 October 2014 - 7:37pm
Sorry if my reply was unclear – it's tricky without seeing the road but it sounds like filtering would be unwise in this situation. I was originally suggesting filtering to the right of the bus between the stationery traffic you described – but only if there's enough space and vehicles are unlikely to be moving for a while. I rarely find that opportunity. Being stuck behind a bus is frustrating and I would probably merge with outside lane while it's stationery. At slow speeds I wouldn't be holding anyone up, and I wouldn't get held up by the buses.

Edit: Vorpal's post beat me to it

Re: Help with choosing bike type and/or commute through Lond

21 October 2014 - 6:42pm
Vorpal wrote:It's probably okay to go between a bus and a queue of stationary cars, if there is room for you (more than just a couple of feet!). You need to be certain that the bus won't move off whilst you are overtaking it. So if you can't see that the bus has just stopped and there are plenty of people to go off and on, it's best to wait behind the bus or for safe filtering on the outside.

Each situation has to be taken on it's own. It's impossible for one of us to say, 'yes, it's safe to filter between a bus and a stationary queue of traffic' without being there. Use your judgement, and if it doesn't feel safe, don't do it

Thanks again.

Re: Help with choosing bike type and/or commute through Lond

21 October 2014 - 6:35pm
It's probably okay to go between a bus and a queue of stationary cars, if there is room for you (more than just a couple of feet!). You need to be certain that the bus won't move off whilst you are overtaking it. So if you can't see that the bus has just stopped and there are plenty of people to go off and on, it's best to wait behind the bus or for safe filtering on the outside.

Each situation has to be taken on it's own. It's impossible for one of us to say, 'yes, it's safe to filter between a bus and a stationary queue of traffic' without being there. Use your judgement, and if it doesn't feel safe, don't do it

Re: Help with choosing bike type and/or commute through Lond

21 October 2014 - 5:52pm
Slow Loris wrote:Were you in a bus lane or a single carriageway? Is your query about filtering on the right or left side of the bus?

I rarely filter on the left unless I'm certain it's safe, and would always avoid the left side of a bus or HGV – in most instances keeping right is much safer, though not hazard-free. If it's gridlock all round and there's sufficient room with no blockages further down, I'd proceed slowly on the right, looking out for space to tuck in if traffic starts moving again. Eye contact with drivers when I need to rejoin the queue generally ensures they give way .

Before filtering, I always ensure I have a decent view ahead, otherwise I'll stay put in primary. Would rather be a slow loris than a flat one . I'd want to keep large vehicles in front unless I can get well past them - leapfrogging buses can be very annoying. In slow moving or stationary traffic I'll keep a good distance behind on the right, so I'm visible in their wing mirror and can see further in front, ready to nip out and filter on the outside if there's room.

Be aware when you're filtering that it's likely another bike or motorbike will be, too. Regular shoulder checks help to avoid nasty surprises.

I pretty much agree with and follow everything you said. In this instance I'm not sure. The bus was stopped at the bus lane and the right lane has stationary traffic. Because of oncoming traffic, you couldn't overtake on the far right. You obviously couldn't overtake on the left either. That leaves the middle. Is it unwise to go between the bus and stationary cars when the bus has only stopped to let passengers on and off?

Re: Clipping and running

21 October 2014 - 2:19pm
[XAP]Bob wrote:I don't see anything that would indicate braking by the camera bike at all. There's too much of what we don't see. Therefore nothing is certain and who's to blame (if anyone) is inconclusive.

Re: Cafe & coffee

21 October 2014 - 2:00pm
I was paying less than a Euro for a Cafe Grande in Portugal last week.

When out on a local ride with my son we always stop at the butty shop and get a suprisingly good coffee for 90p.

Out with the club church halls are a favorite for decent coffee or tea served in proper cups and usually only a £1 with free refills, plus you are supprting good causes.
But knocking a brew up on the side of the road is, to me, one of the pleasures of being a cyclist.

Re: A ride too far

21 October 2014 - 1:01pm
mercalia wrote: I went to an interview and missed the last train. I had to sleep on a bench was winter/autumn

Did you get the job at least?

Re: Help with choosing bike type and/or commute through Lond

21 October 2014 - 12:01pm
Were you in a bus lane or a single carriageway? Is your query about filtering on the right or left side of the bus?

I rarely filter on the left unless I'm certain it's safe, and would always avoid the left side of a bus or HGV – in most instances keeping right is much safer, though not hazard-free. If it's gridlock all round and there's sufficient room with no blockages further down, I'd proceed slowly on the right, looking out for space to tuck in if traffic starts moving again. Eye contact with drivers when I need to rejoin the queue generally ensures they give way .

Before filtering, I always ensure I have a decent view ahead, otherwise I'll stay put in primary. Would rather be a slow loris than a flat one . I'd want to keep large vehicles in front unless I can get well past them - leapfrogging buses can be very annoying. In slow moving or stationary traffic I'll keep a good distance behind on the right, so I'm visible in their wing mirror and can see further in front, ready to nip out and filter on the outside if there's room.

Be aware when you're filtering that it's likely another bike or motorbike will be, too. Regular shoulder checks help to avoid nasty surprises.

Re: Ten Miles a Day

21 October 2014 - 8:49am
TrevA wrote:I'm currently on 5246 for the year and hoping to go over 7000. Doing a 40 miler 2-3 times a week, most weeks does it for me + plus commuting 10 miles a day.I'm doing the same as you ............... except for the commuting.

I'm on 4,026miles so far.
Day 294 today, so that's 13.7miles per day.

Re: Ten Miles a Day

20 October 2014 - 10:21pm
You all need to get out more!

I'm currently on 5246 for the year and hoping to go over 7000. Doing a 40 miler 2-3 times a week, most weeks does it for me + plus commuting 10 miles a day.

Did 6200 last year, 6500 the year before, 5500 the year before that and 4992 the year before that (including JOGLE).

I've kept a spreadsheet since I first got a PC in 1998 and kept paper records before that. I'm approaching 170,000 miles over 41 years.

Re: Help with choosing bike type and/or commute through Lond

20 October 2014 - 7:19pm
One other thing I wanted to ask. Today a bus stopped slightly in front of me a few times. Normally you can overtake it as the traffic is clear but in this case there was stationary traffic on the right. There was no space to filter on the right of that traffic. Is it generally a bad idea to filter between the traffic and the bus that has just stopped to let passengers on/off?

Re: A (sort of familiar) tale

20 October 2014 - 2:41pm
Well, here in the States for the moment (with car), guys are overtaking each other on either side with complete abandon. Apparently it's not against the law over here. As far as using the roads is concerned, I'll be jolly glad to be back in Blighty tomorrow (and back on the bike ). There are worse things....

Re: A (sort of familiar) tale

19 October 2014 - 8:33pm
After over a year of commuting on my bike, someone had a go at me last week for riding the primary line. I was doing 26mph in a thirty zone. I would have been doing 30 only there was a car and skip lorry in front of me. As I was cycling, I sensed this car next to me then braking as there was a car coming in the opposite direction. At the next junction, he was turning left, I was going straight on when he shouted at me to ride in the side of the road. I gave him two words in reply and they weren't "Primary Line". I do feel guilty about dropping to his level but he was a muppet.

Re: Cycling Eutopia ?

19 October 2014 - 8:02pm
Ah, okay. If you come across it again then post the link. I don't see how it can be a critical issue for HSTs but not for all the other diesel units doing exactly the same thing. Then again I guess stopping services in provincial Britain are suitably far from the eyes and noses of government departments for them not to care a jot so I won't doubt you.

Re: Cycling Eutopia ?

19 October 2014 - 7:40pm
Bicycler wrote:I think you are misinterpreting that as meaning that they are being replaced in 2017 because of this issue.
Actually, I think I posted the wrong link there. I'm sure I read it somewhere but it doesn't seem to be in this browser's history. What I remember is that an investigation was started a while ago, the Environment Agency or some other pet bit of gov.uk claimed that it was all OK and train companies are allowed to do that, but some other bit of government decided it thought that hadn't been the case since some time in the 1990s and declared it would take the DfT or its franchising office to court to test the theory, then the 2017 replacement date was committed to and the court bit is on hold.

Anyway, once IEP arrives, the HSTs will probably go for refurbishment before being cascaded and maybe sewage tanks will be fitted then... but as you wrote, it's not like cycleways go very close to the rails anyway.

Re: Cycling Eutopia ?

19 October 2014 - 7:24pm
I must be missing a section about deadlines What it does say is:
She said InterCity 125 trains would be replaced from 2017 by new models which would solve the problem.
I think you are misinterpreting that as meaning that they are being replaced in 2017 because of this issue. The causality is the other way; she's saying that this is not long term issue (on HSTs) because the trains are going anyway. It's actually a bit of a misleading claim because there will still be HSTs running other lines for years to come. In fact there are several statements in that article that make it sound like a concerted effort is being made to remove these toilets. In truth it's very low on their list of priorities and only likely to happen as older stock gets phased out which is happening at a rather slow rate. I can say with a reasonable degree of confidence that we will still be running some of these trains in 15 years time

Re: Cycling Eutopia ?

19 October 2014 - 7:08pm
Old coverage of the train deadline: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24925280

Re: Cycling Eutopia ?

19 October 2014 - 3:38pm
mjr wrote:djqster wrote:You know how you're not supposed to use a train toilet in the station? Well when you use it away from the station and the train is moving quickly, whatever you flush is blasted into an aerosol by the slipstream where it sits in a nice breathable cloud.

It's a problem for lineside workers and potential lineside cyclists until all trains are fitted with waste tanks.
How many still aren't? The HST slam-doors. What else? Most of what's seen locally are Happy Trains and the various *stars and I think they've all got waste tanks, like most trains built since 1989.

I think the UK government was given a deadline of 2017 to stop this and that's why the Intercity Express Programme trains are scheduled to start service then, so this doesn't seem a big barrier to railside cycleways any more.
I wasn't aware of any deadline. Certainly the HSTs won't all suddenly be removed from service in 2017. As for other trains well that is an awful lot of those trains built during the 1980s including all the Pacers and some of the Sprinters which comprise the majority of local stopping services in much of the country. Looking at my local operator (Northern) that is most of their fleet! There's certainly a lot of fuss about the disability regulations which will require all trains to be fully accessible by 2020 and which many had thought would lead to the withdrawal of many older trains. In many cases rising demand seems to make that unlikely and we seem likely to be using many of these already antiquated units (suitably altered for disabled access) into the next couple of decades.

I don't think the toilet situation is a big issue in all honesty. Cycle paths would have to be physically separated from trains anyway. Whilst undoubtedly unpleasant when used in stations or for workers who must work the lines. It is not something that has created any significant numbers of complaints where express trains pass through intermediate stations at speed or where footpaths run adjacent to railway lines. I think it is more of a repulsive notion than a genuine health risk. If I was that bothered about traces of pollutants in what I might breathe I would be far more worried about riding on the roads!

Re: Cycling in Ireland

19 October 2014 - 1:28pm
I live in the North East and while there are plenty of ladies cycling in this part of the world, there are nowhere near the numbers I saw in Ireland. The more girls there are cycling, the better for cycling as a whole.

Re: Ten Miles a Day

19 October 2014 - 12:00pm
I log all my trips on Endomondo and have a 250 miles a month target which I am on course for. I only cycle for the sake of it and around 70% of my trips are solo runs around the Swansea & Gower coastline on a hybrid.

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