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Re: Ten Miles a Day

2 hours 24 min ago
Hi,
Three and a half weeks off bike so I will have to settle on 11.31 M / day, thats twice last years at 5.69 , average Heart Rate has been 145, resting HR is mid 40's.

Re: Feeling guilty whilst not cycling & car use thru illness

4 hours 20 min ago
It weren't windy here yesterday, that was the thing..today however, going up hill was almost as fast as downhill in places..lol

Re: Accident waiting to happen.

5 hours 59 min ago
The plans for the scheme are intriguing.

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Road traffic heading south on Queen Charlotte Street meets a "Give Way" marking before the cycle section of the Zebra Crossing .

There is no such marking for road traffic heading northbound .

In any case the finished item on the ground might not match the plans.

Re: Good road US road sign

6 hours 38 sec ago
GrumpyGit wrote:Elizabethsdad wrote:Audax67 wrote:The bike needs a glove box to keep the .38 in.
I would suggest openly carried in a hip holster would be more effective and dude a .38? seriously? Berretta 92F surely.

I disagree, the .38 and 9mm are almost identical in their ballistics. My choice would be a 1911A1 the .45ACP has much better stopping power!

EDITED TO ADD:

What? Is nobody going to up the ante and suggest a Desert Eagle .50 AE ??

Doesn't matter if you use hollowpoint.

Re the French 1.5-metre sign, they're most often found just behind overhanging foliage.

The one to beware of next year is this:



Some of the compulsory cycle paths are terrible but the police throughout France have been instructed to fine cyclists not taking them. I've seen compulsory paths over lumpy pavement, covered in debris, parked cars, and dustbins, and leading you under tree branches a metre off the ground.

Re: Feeling guilty whilst not cycling & car use thru illness

6 hours 9 min ago
It is fairly horribly cold in that wind today. Everything seems to take more effort and I've not got a cold. I expect I'd be slower than usual on the bike too:

Re: Another death

6 hours 17 min ago
thirdcrank wrote:661-Pete wrote: ... But I probably shouldn't be speculating - not on this thread at this time. ...

It all depends on the evidence gathered during the investigation, of course, but if this were to result in a contested trial, I'd expect that the defence would emphasise the length of time the deceased had been riding apparently without sleep, and the implication of poor mental health.

Before anybody jumps on me, I'm only predicting a couple of lines the defence might explore, without expressing an opinion on the merit of their doing so.
But could only be of any value if the defendant claimed the cyclist had wobbled/veered/swerved in front the car she was driving.But at twice the legal limit and 15+mph over the speed limit,with four month driving experience,how reliable would her account of events be?
Not very is my estimation .

brynpoeth wrote: .. riding without sleep ... What about P-B-P, it takes place in 2015. Should it be banned or restricted? Open question!
It's something that troubles me about long distance Audax events.
But then again any driver of a vehicle not needing a tachograph to measure time driving,could be behind the wheel of such a vehicle at considerably higher speeds for as long as they saw fit,which is a worrying thought.
The difference of course is that a sleep deprived cyclist would more than likely only put their own life at risk.
Whereas someone driving a motor with the same level of sleep deprivation has the potential for far more devastation.

Re: What do you say?

6 hours 44 min ago
This happened, the driver then drove into the kerb across the cycle path to impede my forward motion

Simply pointed out the GoPro and stated that it was obvious from his attitude and driving that he had no idea of a safe distance and I would be asking the Police to educate him

They did!

Re: Accident waiting to happen.

6 hours 55 min ago
Vorpal

A few issues there which have been thrashed out on the turbo roundabout and elsewhere. eg Problems with making farcilities (another unscientific word but well-done! to whoever coined it) safe where they meet a main carriageway is one of the reasons some people are opposed to them. Then, I think the general view is that, subject to proper behaviour by drivers, a well-used pedestrian crossing does not maximise traffic capacity which is why highwaymen like light-controlled crossings (although the official plan on the current "deathtrap" thread refers to crossings being converted to zebras to achieve it.)

All I really was trying to say is that a lack of clarity is unhelpful to the point of being dangerous and that's even more likely when the existing arrangement (zebra crossings for pedestrians) has been in operation for some eighty years and is still widely abused by drivers. IMO, there is value in comparison with other societies and in this context, I'd say the starting point is the attitudes towards vulnerable road users. The infrastructure can only follow.

I didn't write the thread title, but it's only the same as the pseudo-scientific stuff highwaymen trot out to supress suggestions they don't like. Indeed "This would confuse drivers" is one I have often heard. And I think that's a large part of what I've been trying to say here. Attitudes won't change quickly but one thing we don't want is drivers deciding it's their duty to discipline cyclists riding across zebra crossings, especially in locations where they are entitled to do so. Local publicity is of limited value because drivers have a tendency to go all over the place. I can think of several experimental schemes - around here we had X crossings - which were not followed up because of the confusion, which must largely have involved strangers to Leeds, rather than Leeds Loiners being too thick to grasp the concept. In the present economic climate, I think that national publicity is unlikely.

Re: Accident waiting to happen.

7 hours 7 min ago
Like Bedford, this scheme is part funded from the Cycle Safety Fund, scheme X125.

Plans, etc here: https://bristol.citizenspace.com/city-d ... und-scheme

Re: What do you say?

7 hours 57 min ago
I'd warn him of the consequences should he try to kill me again but using colourful, descriptive language. I'd probably get very very angry.

Re: What do you say?

8 hours 50 min ago
Highway code rule 164.

What do you say?

9 hours 18 sec ago
Had punishment pass approaching a small quiet roundabout on a housing estate in primary position. I had to brake hard and pull into the kerb to avoid the driver who overtook then cut in on me at the roundabout entrance and braked to block me (the roundabout was clear - there was no need to brake). I shouted a loud 'Oi' and he then wound down his window and yelled 'How much ****** road do you want'

All I could think to say is 'I want a lane!' I was a little shocked as I normally ride recumbent and these things just don't happen

What would you have said?

Re: Accident waiting to happen.

9 hours 21 min ago
That's fair enough, and I agree that comparisons with other driving cultures may have limited value. On the other hand, if people will campaign for segregated infrastructure, this kind of thing is a likely outcome, as there are a limited number of ways that junctions and crossings can be designed. A controlled crossing would probably be better, but that might <gasp> hold up motor traffic.

And, if designers are going to borrow solutions form other countries, a comparison becomes necessary, even if not entirely applicable.

The phrase 'accident waiting to happen' is emotive and imprecise, and doesn't really belong in a logical argument.

Re: Good road US road sign

9 hours 49 min ago
Gotta love the US of A



Re: Accident waiting to happen.

10 hours 1 min ago
I think this is largely about attitudes, so it's of limited value to compare something like this with societies where attitudes to vulnerable road users are different.

I suspect that careful considerate drivers ie the type of people who wouldn't use their vehicle as a means of imposing their will on others, will continue to stop or slow down for people "in the road" whether they are at a crossing or not. Others, and this includes some careful considerate drivers who change camp when pressed for time, will stick to their own interpretation of the law which is that they need only give way to pedestrians on a zebra crossing and even then, only when they have to. Pedestrians come in different types: some wait patiently for opportunities to cross, others create them by stepping off the pavement to assert their precedence.

It seems to me that in the absence of any publicity - remember even we members of a cycling forum are pretty much in the dark about what's happening - there's likely to be misunderstanding, which is in nobody's interest, especially the type of rider who might be attracted to using farcilities rather than the carriageway. Back to pedestrians who assert their priority, they are likely to do it with circumspection. An assertive cyclist might be travelling faster than a pedestrian counterpart but has less ability to retreat or dodge if things don't go as planned.

At present there's no specific prohibition against riding across a zebra crossing (although it may be illegal to ride on the adjoining pavements) and the only thing to remember is that the crossing regulations give no precedence or protection to a cyclist who does especially as it's against the advice of the HC, but this is not the saloon bar lawyers' interpretation. I've been admonished by a pedestrian for doing it "I thought pedestrian crossings were for pedestrians" even when I was nowhere near him and hadn't used the pavement.

Could work, but it needs good publicity and it's not going to be enforced in the foreseeable future.

Re: Another death

10 hours 4 min ago
thirdcrank wrote:661-Pete wrote: ... But I probably shouldn't be speculating - not on this thread at this time. ...

It all depends on the evidence gathered during the investigation, of course, but if this were to result in a contested trial, I'd expect that the defence would emphasise the length of time the deceased had been riding apparently without sleep, and the implication of poor mental health.

Before anybody jumps on me, I'm only predicting a couple of lines the defence might explore, without expressing an opinion on the merit of their doing so.

.. riding without sleep ... What about P-B-P, it takes place in 2015. Should it be banned or restricted? Open question!

Re: Bike lift...

10 hours 8 min ago
There is something like this in Stuttgart, a rack railway that goes up a hill (200 m climb) and takes cycles without charge. Unfortunately cycles are only taken on the up journey, one must ride back down the hill.

Re: Accident waiting to happen.

10 hours 41 min ago
I'm not sure I understand why this is an accident waiting to happen? It is common in other countries to have parallel crossings for cyclists and pedestrians. It's not as beneficial an arrangement in the UK because there is no legal obligation to give way to cyclists in an uncontrolled crossing, but I doubt that drivers will deliberately run someone over just to be right. Anyway, for the time being, most drivers are not familiar with the legal details of cyclists using crossings, and will probably err on the side of caution.

In Denmark it is illegal for cyclists to use pedestrian crossings (there are usually separate/delineated parallel crossings, if a route is shared), but drivers stop for them, anyway.

Re: Accident waiting to happen.

11 hours 31 min ago
Thanks for that. Though still at the draft stage it appears they were expecting it's introduction into the regs (or maybe even had specific permission from the dft for this one location).

I'll admit I didn't look at the OP's links and just assumed he was talking about the way zebras are used on cycle routes.

Re: Feeling a bit lonely......

11 hours 40 min ago
That and it inevitably develops into a load of pointless stereotyping and pigeonholing about which types of cyclists are the worst offenders

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