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Re: Cycling the Italian lakes

15 February 2015 - 10:18pm
Via Beneco down from Pieve - goes round a full 360 then through a natural cave.

I was going to dig out some photos but some guy videoed the whole thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru-UziQkhz8 - I'd suggest going down rather than up...

Re: How to convince others cycle touring is safe?

15 February 2015 - 10:14pm
ndxcc wrote:Currently my main issue is trying to convince others (especially over protective parents - only child, but I am 30 years old!) that this tour is safe.
Is it safe? Compared to some things, not to others. Can I convince them? Unlikely, given that you're over thirty and still trying to.

Do research. Make plans. Set dates. Go for it. Other people's confidence in you is based in you're past successes not your future plans.

Re: Is there a Round Britain route info thread?

15 February 2015 - 10:14pm
I think that you have to make your own definition of what "around the coast" means.

Peter Mann did it in 5,000 miles this guy did 11,000 miles on his scooter.

http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Britain- ... story.html

There is some flexibility due to a sort of fractal nature of coastal roads. Three of my friends did it on motorbikes some time ago and this was something they had to spend a lot of time planning and deciding about. They had quite a complicated set of rules.

As an example they wanted to always take the closest road to the coast but if that road was not continuous (just a spur) it could be left out. Then they had to decide if that still applied if it had a loop at the end of it that you could only reach along the spur road, they decided such roads did not have to be done unless they were quite major. So a degree of pragmatism was coming into things.
Which could mean in real life you define the route to suit how much time and effort you are willing to give to the task. I have seen some much shorter motorised attempts where they take the nearest A road as being the criteria, a rather severely diluted version to my mind but uses much less petrol.

Is there a Round Britain route info thread?

15 February 2015 - 9:24pm
I've used the search facility but there is not much that remains on the web, particularly the stuff from the proposed charity route in 2010, The Great Tour.

I have an interest in whether this route has been officially mapped out or is it more of a DIY route? I know that Peter Mann famously circumnavigated the coast but if there is no "official" route then is it just up to the individual to get on and do it the way you would want to do it?

If that is so, what advice would tourers out there give to somebody who wanted to cycle around the coast?

Any maps, route guides, etc?

Re: How to convince others cycle touring is safe?

15 February 2015 - 9:14pm
Just show your parents some of the hundreds of youtube clips showing aggressive behaviour and assaults on cyclists in the UK, and then demonstrate the complete lack of any from abroad!

Re: Is touring becoming a thing of the past?

15 February 2015 - 9:11pm
I bought my dream tourer from Condor Cycles in London and they told me that the "made to measure" route was the way most touring bikes were sold. Getting fitted and adding the spec's you want is the way forward if you've got a bob or two. I got mine on the 'cycle to work scheme' and paid the excess price: I wasn't the only one doing that. So, in response to the OP, I think that there's still a demand for tourers but it's becoming a 'specialist' market, possibly.

Re: Cycling the Italian lakes

15 February 2015 - 9:08pm
Thanks for your good advice, but I know that one tunnel on the West side of lake Iseo is over over a mile long, with curves and a two lane road. I would hate to be committed to ride through,if it was busy.

Re: Cycling the Italian lakes

15 February 2015 - 8:11pm
I don't know those particular tunnels, so I hope others will be able to help. But having ridden through tunnels in the Alps I would recommend the obvious: the brightest rear lights you can put on your bike, combined with bright clothing.

Re: How to convince others cycle touring is safe?

15 February 2015 - 7:48pm
In all my world travels I was always cheered up by the fact that I was raised in a country more dangerous than those I was visiting.

I havent been anywhere worse than here yet. You notice it as soon as you get your bike back on the English roads after being in France.

Re: What bicycle parts have you carried onto a plane?

15 February 2015 - 7:41pm
I was recently pulled up for having a single Allen key in my luggage on a Jersey - Southampton flight

Years ago I used to take all the bike luggage as cabin luggage - full sets of tools, pedals, tent, cooker...

Re: What bicycle parts have you carried onto a plane?

15 February 2015 - 7:21pm
Like a dope carried on a tent with pegs wrapped in it. At Seattle the didn't notice but when I changed planes at LHR they did. They were very nice about it and let me on after I'd unrolled my tent to show them what was what but they didn't have to be and would have been justified in taking the pegs (spendy ones). I put them in checked baggage now. Don't carry on anything that could be the least bit fishy.

Re: How to convince others cycle touring is safe?

15 February 2015 - 6:58pm
I think that by the age of 30 you have to stop worrying too much about their anxieties, and they need to let you go ...
If they are really concerned there's probably no cure, but obviously you will want to minimise their anxieties. I think the best approach is probably to do what you can to show them that you are preparing sensibly, researching your route, and any specific legal requirements applying to cyclists in the countries you will pass through. And so on. Arrange a way to keep in touch (and make sure that you do so!)
Have a dip into http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/?o=Sh Look to see how others have fared. You could even consider showing some accounts to your folks - it might help them, to realise others have been before - and survived!
If you can post an outline of your route you could hope to get tips from members who have been that way.
Going a long way sounds like a bigger deal but isn't necessarily more dangerous.
How are you planning to return?

Re: Pannier Security on Tour

15 February 2015 - 6:32pm
If I stop 'en route' fully loaded its often not practical or possible to put the bags somewhere safe or carry them. The Bar bag goes where I go, it has all the valuables and is never left unattended. the other bags I lock up to the bike. Of course pump, bottles, tool kit etc are removed and 'hidden' inside a bag. Yes its not exactly high security and anyone could get into the bags however there is nothing in them that couldn't be replaced, an inconvenience yes but its a chance you take after all a locked car is only as secure as the location of a nearby brick! Much like leaving your tent on a campsite, there isn't much point in locking it, that may well attract attention, thieves want shiny stuff they can sell on quickly and easily not a grubby sleeping bag and dirty stove - even if they did cost £400!

I think you are making something of a statement by leaving the bags under 'light' security that there's nothing worth stealing inside.

That said, I would probably be more circumspect in a big city, poorer countries etc where the very fact I'm a tourist/foreigner means I am rich and my stuff must be worth stealing.

Re: How to convince others cycle touring is safe?

15 February 2015 - 6:19pm
You won't be able to convince anybody back home that it is safe; also their sentiments probably include 'missing you' as well as genuine concern for your safety. You are as likely to get knocked off your bike or mugged in London or Manchester as you are in any overseas city, but there is an intrinsic xenophobia amongst us that can heighten the fear of overseas travel. Of course, some countries are very dangerous, but not really Rotterdam to Istanbul.

If I were you, I would remain resolute in your determination to travel and try to allay fears of others by keeping regular contact and explaining to them how you are going to do this. This can even include tracking your progress by various apps; social media; blogs; or just plain old regular contact.

It won't make the depart any easier, but it will make it more manageable the further into the trip you complete!

Good luck - it sounds like a great trip!

Re: Pannier Security on Tour

15 February 2015 - 6:17pm
I've padlocked panniers to my bike before but that won't stop anyone rifling through the bag. On tour I quite often have washing hanging from my panniers (buckle the bag through the leg of cycling shorts for instance) and I figure that acts as a slight deterrent . Otherwise all valuables are in the bar bag which gets taken everywhere I go (except my tablet computer that's too big so is stuffed at the bottom of the cloths pannier... don't tell anyone!).

But still I'm not happy leaving it unattended like that for long. Once we asked the ticket office of a tourist place whether we can store our panniers with them and they said yes. Otherwise maybe you can find left luggage at a station? Or the Dutch fietsenstalling often have lockers and in the past we have kept our panniers there whilst sightseeing. Not sure carrying your bags with you is an option unless you pack very light!

The pacsafe looks good but I've always wondered whether you're drawing attention to the fact you've got something valuable in there.

Re: What bicycle parts have you carried onto a plane?

15 February 2015 - 6:17pm
I've certainly taken shoes and pedals in the cabin but I really wouldn't risk anything else. I once had a cable, to use with my lock, taken but they left me the cable lock! It really is luck of the draw getting stuff through. In theory nail scissors are allowed but I know several people who've had them stolen by 'security', and it is stealing, you have no option to claim stuff on your return, they take it and you lose it.

Re: What bicycle parts have you carried onto a plane?

15 February 2015 - 6:10pm
In theory, anything that is not on this list can be carried in the aircraft cabin. The unpredictability of the whole exercise starts with the caveat "Airport security staff won’t let anything through that they consider dangerous - even if it’s normally allowed in hand luggage".

The key thing to success is being very polite and allowing plenty of time to call for supervisors if need be. You could print out the Govmint list and take it with you to show you had done your research and were taking its advice in good faith.

Re: Marrakech to the High Atlas - December (Parts 1 - 5)

15 February 2015 - 5:47pm
That made me smile Phil. Great pic.

Re: Marrakech to the High Atlas - December (parts 1 -3)

15 February 2015 - 5:27pm
Farawayvisions wrote:Thanks Phil The goats climb into the Argan trees to eat the argan nuts.

Re: How to convince others cycle touring is safe?

15 February 2015 - 4:58pm
Rotterdam to Istanbul is probably just as dangerous as spending the same amount of time cycling around England.


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