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Re: Weight of total gear for a 4 week tour in France

22 August 2014 - 8:26pm
Thanks Everybody, thats really useful. At least I know I am about right, but can always go less. Yes you are correct when walking we did carry less, but then we didn't intend staying (but did) in hotels, so clothing was a bit less and we didn't have any tools:o) However my tools and spares seem about right as well, perhaps one too many cables and cable ties & spokes, and I have 3 inner tubes so could take 2!
The extra clothing we have is one shirt & trousers for the very occasional meal out (silk shirt and paramo trousers for lightness) all the other gear will double up.
Small 2 person Terra Nova tent (but we are very friendly, even after 50yrs !
with footprint groundsheet.
3 season for Chris, 2 for me - down/pertex
very old original long thermorest for Chris & short light Gelert copy for me
silk liners for use in gites or if it gets cold
light easy dry towels - 1 each (oh dear!) & flannel each:o)
Emergency food & soups
Jet boil stove, 1 spoon each, sharp knife with tools, 1 cup & use cup on bottom of jet boil
I think thats it so shall look at washing gear etc and weight of some of the clothes, it will come down before we go, it always does:o) But when it doesn't go on your back it is tempting to put that extra in; thats why Chris insisted on only small panniers for herself, and I would not have front panniers; although I can see a good use for them in balancing the bike, smaller size front and back. unfortunately the big ones came with the bike, so being a skinflint I am using them!
Thanks again everyone, will look in again and see if there are any more answers over the next few days
Dave

Re: My first tour (I didn't make it)

22 August 2014 - 8:19pm
Steep learning curve but you will sort it in the way that's right for you. Lots of really good advice from very experienced sources. The only thing I have to pick up on regards the shoes you cycle in; you said;

Sandals - Very good but a bit slippy on the pedals if the bottoms got wet but dried quickly (Teva).

Maybe consider SPD / toe clips / half clips?

Re: My first tour (I didn't make it)

22 August 2014 - 8:00pm
When you say 'cooker in plastic case' it's not one of those ones in a sort of plastic suitcase is it? If so I recommend a much smaller one for next year - I've had a cheap one from Wilko which is virtually identical to a much more expensive one for a couple of years and it's been fine. The gas is cheaper than camping gaz, coleman gas, too. I bought a little windshield from the same fine emporium and this has been so good I bought another in case I lose it! They won't have any of this kit in store now, but maybe keep an eye out next year. My two pans are teeny too.
I took a tarp for the bike once, but found the dew went under it & the bike got wetter. Give the bike a good clean, dry and oil when you get home and it'll be OK.
I think my kit weighs about 25lbs and I have to be stern with myself to keep it this low. Luxuries include small radio and a book to read. I've even weighed my t-shirts to see which are lightest! If it gets much above this (I took all my breakfasts when do a 2-week tour of Holland last year) I struggle to lift it on and off trains.
Weight is an obsession with touring cyclists... you may have noticed!

Re: Ten Bike Touring Convoy!

22 August 2014 - 7:53pm
Brilliant, hope you all have a great time together and part as good friends

Re: Ten Bike Touring Convoy!

22 August 2014 - 7:49pm
Great photo!

advice -south east france/northern italy

22 August 2014 - 6:46pm
okay- want a tour that starts and finished in orange (provence)

we have got a month and would like to make the most of it -any suggestions

we tend to prefer quiet municipal typ campsites but never been across to Italy -any ideas -useful links etc

thanks all

beeb

Re: Weight of total gear for a 4 week tour in France

22 August 2014 - 6:40pm
I regularly tour for more than 4 weeks so my equipment list maybe of some help, you can find it here: http://www.bikepacker.co.uk/List.htm

Never weighed it so cannot answer that question.

Re: Notes from a flat country

22 August 2014 - 6:29pm
BE1 wrote:It's not the flat that bother's me but the headwinds. You have nowhere to hide: at least with a hill you can get off and push...
You are absolutely right. Luckily it was not too windy and I checked the winds before we left. We rode a loop and I wanted to know which would be easier, clockwise or anti. The wind would veer, therefore we chose a clockwise route.
Mjr, I've chosen routes to go in the direction of prevailing winds as much as possible, much like sailing. And thanks for the heads up on the meta tags. Don't really know what to do about it?

Re: Weight of total gear for a 4 week tour in France

22 August 2014 - 6:05pm
25kg between two of you is OK, not brilliant, but certainly not OTT. Your 16kg is about what I carry for solo touring, but adding another persons kit might not need to add 9kg, but these are not huge weights for touring with. When I was refining my kit, i reduced it too far and was uncomfortable, IME that being uncomfortable will spoil your trip far more than carrying an extra couple of kgs.
But I'd be surprised if you carried that much when walking, so where does the extra come from? When I walked I felt every gram in a way I haven't by bike, the danger is thinking, well it's only a couple of hundred grams and adding it, then before you know it it's several extra kilos.
Clothes can be a big weight saving, I don't have anything that can't be worn on as well as off the bike, and stuff you know is going to dry overnight is a bonus. The big advantage of two people sharing is the great weight savings by not duplication anything unnecessarily.

Re: Stefan Abrutat's Tour Travel Blog

22 August 2014 - 5:59pm
if u have time maybe add these pictures of the broken trailer bits to the original trailer thread, as I think that thread has become a rather useful set of notes on these cheapo trailers their pitfalls, mods and troubles and should be pinned so it isnt lost?

http://forum.ctc.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=77175

Re: My first tour (I didn't make it)

22 August 2014 - 5:46pm
theDaveB wrote:Well this is what I have in the trailer -

Cooker in plastic case
Pan set
Plate, bowl, cup
Knife, Fork, Spoon
Bottle of gas
Tent
Sleeping bag
folding chair
blow up mattress
pump for mattress
torch
tarp (for covering bike if left outside in the rain)
multi-tool
Spatular
Spare skewers
Spare bars for trailer
Spare brake blocks
Inner tubes
d-lock + cable
Flag

16 bottles of lucozade (figured 4 per day) - I can't drink water while cycling it makes me feel sick
cooking oil
eggs
big bottle of water
bags of nuts
spare undies
trainers
socks

There may have been other stuff but quick look through and that was what I spotted.

My trailer cost £30 or £40 by the way, bought from this very site

Dave

what u list dont seem that bad but prob the bits not the lightest of their kind. You might be able to get a cheap light weight cycle cover from 99p store instead of the tarp. dont need brake blocks if u checked them before u left?
The lucozade and water maybe could be cut back - a bit more than u need for just one day or maybe 2, then buy some more at next town?

Where u went wrong was in the weight-distance-terrain matter. My gear like yours is not special light weight stuff, so I dont try to climb mountains( now). when I did my first tour with cheapo trailer I managed just 25 miles on roads or tarmaced tracks to my destination in about 4-5 hours with lots of stops( lol). And like you my legs ached afterwards for days.I didnt do much for those days lol. There are too many stories here of super-riders doing 60-70 miles a day with a full tour load here I think.


Ph - the extra skewers and bars are incase the ones that come with the trailer break - and they do -see
http://forum.ctc.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=88258
my skewer broke the 2nd time I used the trailer - the originals are a potential deathtrap
These cheapo trailers are cheap for a reason and need some user mods

Re: Weight of total gear for a 4 week tour in France

22 August 2014 - 5:13pm
davetb wrote:Hi Every one
Have just read with interest the topic "My first tour….." And thought I would ask the following from the 'experts' here. How much does their gear weigh. Chris and I are about to go to France for about 4 weeks touring. We will be camping and using small hotels gites etc. We are not beginners in light weight camping, but haven't done any cycle touring for quite a few yrs and that was in YHA's; mainly doing multi day walks in the Alps with bivvy gear. We cannot carry the weight on our backs any more. Chris has her gear down to two 15 L panniers (weight app. 9Kg) and a small bar bag; I am carrying all the camping kit and have it down to two 28 L (I think) panniers plus bar bag. Weight at moment app 16Kg. Its the tools and spares take the weight up:O) Tent is lighter than 2 bivvy bags, one concession is a full thermorest for Chris! mine is a short one, and a jet boil. Perhaps I ought to say our combined age is 140+ ) Well why not!
I would just like some ideas of weight to aim for without spending too much

Thanks Dave

I think you have cut down both the weight and volume very well. When I first started I filled 4 panniers but have now got it down to two rear panniers, a frame bag and a bar bag.

Re: My first tour (I didn't make it)

22 August 2014 - 5:07pm
theDaveB wrote:Well this is what I have in the trailer -

Cooker in plastic case - dump the case
Pan set - 1 pan is usually enough for few days
Plate, bowl, cup - any 2 out of the three would do
Knife, Fork, Spoon - Only the three if they're light
Bottle of gas - Right size bottle for the trip
Tent - you have what you have though it's bigger than I'd use
Sleeping bag - like the tent
folding chair - I wouldn't, but some do
blow up mattress - OK
pump for mattress - Is it light?
torch - again, is it lightweight?
tarp (for covering bike if left outside in the rain) - I can't see the point
multi-tool - OK
Spatular - That's what your spoon is for
Spare skewers - ??
Spare bars for trailer - ??
Spare brake blocks - If you must, they don't weigh a lot
Inner tubes - ok
d-lock + cable - if it makes you happy to leave the bike
Flag - hahahahahah

16 bottles of lucozade (figured 4 per day) - I can't drink water while cycling it makes me feel sick - noooooooooo there must be somthing tht agrees with you that you can buy as you go.
cooking oil - all cooking stuff, buy when you need it
eggs
big bottle of water
bags of nuts

There may have been other stuff but quick look through and that was what I spotted.

My trailer cost £30 or £40 by the way, bought from this very site

Dave

Comments above, you don't say about clothes, that's where big savings can sometimes be made.

Re: My first tour (I didn't make it)

22 August 2014 - 4:55pm
Well this is what I have in the trailer -

Cooker in plastic case
Pan set
Plate, bowl, cup
Knife, Fork, Spoon
Bottle of gas
Tent
Sleeping bag
folding chair
blow up mattress
pump for mattress
torch
tarp (for covering bike if left outside in the rain)
multi-tool
Spatular
Spare skewers
Spare bars for trailer
Spare brake blocks
Inner tubes
d-lock + cable
Flag

16 bottles of lucozade (figured 4 per day) - I can't drink water while cycling it makes me feel sick
cooking oil
eggs
big bottle of water
bags of nuts
spare undies
trainers
socks

There may have been other stuff but quick look through and that was what I spotted.

My trailer cost £30 or £40 by the way, bought from this very site

Dave

Re: My first tour (I didn't make it)

22 August 2014 - 4:45pm
Vantage wrote:bigjim wrote:I toured with a guy with a trailer for a couple of days. The thing was a pest. It got in the way all the time. Hotel rooms, train, cycle paths. It's the first two days of my blog with pics under "Paris South". Put me off for life.

I get the feeling you don't like trailers.
The only experience with them is the kiddie trailer I towed around with both my girls for best part of 6+ years.
Cycle paths were never a problem, they fold up flat if need be. That goes for hotels too I'd imagine. Not sure why you'd be on a train for a bike tour unless you've gone a silly distance from home and can't pedal back, such as lejog or jogle, but even then as before, they fold up.
Pedalling back from Munich or Nice is a bit of a pull to do it in a day or so.
The trailer we had with us didn't fold up. I often get the train on a bike tour. I even build it in to the tour sometimes. If I have to be at an airport for a certain time or date with a lot of mileage left, I jump a train. If the weather is bad, I jump a train. I get the train back from Manchester Airport to Manchester centre [I don't have to pay].I like trains. I'm not one of these "must bike it all the way no matter what" types. I'm on holiday.
Trailers? Everybody to their own. Just not my thing.

Re: Weight of total gear for a 4 week tour in France

22 August 2014 - 4:13pm
My tours are always 2 weeks or less

Bike weight with lock, water mudguards and rack 15kg.

If credit card touring, panniers and bar bag weigh 11 kg

Camping equipment weight 5kg

If touring for 4 weeks probably an additional 2kg of extra clothes etc.

My weight clothed 82 kg.

Al

Re: Weight of total gear for a 4 week tour in France

22 August 2014 - 4:11pm
I dont think its only the weight that u need to consider but the terrain-distance-weight matter. That was the other Daves lesson? I can quite happily pull my trailer with 6x5 litres of old engine oil to the recyle dump or my camping gear food and all for about 20-25 miles before I get a bit fed up. Regarding what you take is a matter of what you think you will need - chain easylinks, spokes. spoke key, cassette remover ( not whip nor lever - borrow one), maybe hex key for things like seat post, spare brake/gear cable, some rubber gloves, inner tubes, puncture gear, decent pump, small bottle of chain lube. Replace things like inner tubes, tyres or brake blocks before you go if rather worn & lube everything esp chain.

Re: Weight of total gear for a 4 week tour in France

22 August 2014 - 4:10pm
Camping kit - decent sized 1-2 person tent (2kg), sleeping bag, mat, small cooking set.
Clothing, toiletries etc
Waterproofs including a girt big old heavy cape as well as a jacket.
Tools and spares
Lock
Maps (IGN 1:100,000 sometimes 10 sheets)
Bags

All this come to something like 30 lbs, say 14kg

The only difference between a weekend away and a month (in the summer) is that I might take slightly more clothes, but if I am cycling, cycling and cycling then sometimes I do not even bother to take civilian clothes at all. Clothing and toiletries take up about 3/4 of a saddlebag (I stress this is summer touring so everything is low bulk). The longest I've been away with this sort of set up is 4 weeks.

You say it is tools and spares that you are bothered by. My tools are confined to the right sizes of allen keys, a double ended screwdriver, a Swiss Army knife, a 2 tyre levers, puncture repair kit, chain tool, spoke nipple key (I find multitool devices simply too awkward to use except as a get you home quick fix, so I carry separate tools). Spares are 2 inner tubes, maybe 6 spokes total, a chain quick link, maybe 10 cable ties of various sizes, a rear gear cable and a rear brake cable.

Re: My first tour (I didn't make it)

22 August 2014 - 3:34pm
bigjim wrote:I toured with a guy with a trailer for a couple of days. The thing was a pest. It got in the way all the time. Hotel rooms, train, cycle paths. It's the first two days of my blog with pics under "Paris South". Put me off for life.

I get the feeling you don't like trailers.
The only experience with them is the kiddie trailer I towed around with both my girls for best part of 6+ years.
Cycle paths were never a problem, they fold up flat if need be. That goes for hotels too I'd imagine. Not sure why you'd be on a train for a bike tour unless you've gone a silly distance from home and can't pedal back, such as lejog or jogle, but even then as before, they fold up.

Re: My first tour (I didn't make it)

22 August 2014 - 3:18pm
Just read one page of posts, Chris and I think you are all very kind and helpful, how nice compared to some forums. Well done 'theDaveB' for getting your first trip done don't let it put you off, it gets easier, I think:o)

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