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Re: Chainstays too short?

18 March 2015 - 7:55pm
What do you want panniers for?

From http://www.whileoutriding.com/

Re: Chainstays too short?

18 March 2015 - 7:45pm
My Kinsesis Racelight also has 42cm chainstays & I can fit Ortlieb Back Rollers (40 l - on a Super Tourist DX Topeak rack) to clear my size 10 feet if I set the clips right so they hang beyond the back of the rack slightly, but do make the steering a little light depending on the weight in them. Front rollers (25 l) fit on the back with no problems.

Alternatively you can get an extensions to move panniers back (designed primarily for use with a child seat).


Re: First two weeks tour in Europe in June: where?

18 March 2015 - 7:33pm
You can use a ferry to cross the river from Lisbon and then a short ride to the Parque Natural da Arrabida, which is one of Portugal's loveliest parks. It only rises to 500m so not too hilly and the coast has lots of little coves or bays. There is also a ferry from Setubal which takes you into Northern Alentejo which has wall to wall beaches.
You may have to reverse your steps to return, though with careful planning you should be able to do a circular ride back to Lisbon, getting the ferry from Montis perhaps, but there are a lot of motorways and busy roads to stay clear of.

I will be in Northern Portugal in May - will let you know what the weather is like!

Re: Chainstays too short?

18 March 2015 - 6:57pm
I think it depends on how much money you’ve got, and your priorities for spending it. A few years ago I did UK to Palermo – which is also majorly hilly – quite happily on a bog-standard 21-speed Raleigh hybrid, camping, so it’s quite doable. OTOH, if you want and can afford something fancier, go for it.

Re: Best saddle for touring

18 March 2015 - 6:29pm
Everyone always talks about how long it takes to break in a leather saddle, but that hasn't been my experience. I've now done about 7000km on my B17 and it was comfortable from day 1, but it hasn't really got any softer than when I bought it. I am quite careful about protecting it from the rain and I've put some Proofide on it a couple of times.

Re: Reducing pannier weight

18 March 2015 - 6:15pm
Ferial wrote:I Follow the rule of 1 on, 1 for spare and 1 in the wash. Light weight, quick-dry clothes + a tangier stove to save on meals. I survived 6 weeks through France & Spain like this.

Best tip so far [emoji471] Similar system I used when a backpacker. The only time it didn't work was one area on the Moçambican border where you had to carry your own firewood in! [emoji31]

Re: Berwick-upon-Tweed to Hawick - best route and how hard?

18 March 2015 - 5:26pm
Just a quick look at BikeHikeUK shows me that I would pick the A698 for Coldstream then Kelso, then keep on it through Denholm to Hawick.

44miles and only 1,800ft of total ascent ............... seems like a nice ride. 3hrs or so?
Both Berwick and Hawick are nice towns.

Re: Reducing pannier weight

18 March 2015 - 5:23pm
I Follow the rule of 1 on, 1 for spare and 1 in the wash. Light weight, quick-dry clothes + a tangier stove to save on meals. I survived 6 weeks through France & Spain like this.

Re: Berwick-upon-Tweed to Hawick - best route and how hard?

18 March 2015 - 5:00pm
Limited choice from Hawick south really, but the B6399 to Newcastleton is a nice road and pretty quiet. From Newcastleton you can either stay on the B road or take the minor road to the border at Kershopefoot and then take your pick of the minor roads on to Carlisle

Re: Best saddle for touring

18 March 2015 - 4:56pm
They only really hurt for the first 500 miles.

(or was that 5,000).

Re: Best saddle for touring

18 March 2015 - 4:32pm
Thank you everyone who replied, I have made my decision and bought Brooks B17s yesterday, cant wait to try it out!

Re: Chainstays too short?

18 March 2015 - 3:35pm
What kind of touring?

I'm thinking of UK to Turkey, which is majorly hilly. This bike might not be the answer.

Re: Berwick-upon-Tweed to Hawick - best route and how hard?

18 March 2015 - 3:13pm
I've looked into the B-road route that rualexander recommended and it looks perfect; thanks very much. Thinking about my route back again and starting to wonder if it wouldn't be more fun to go onto Carlisle and return home from there by train, rather than retracing my steps. Don't suppose anyone has any tips about that part of the route (Hawick to Carlisle, avoiding nasty A roads, etc)? Will be a fair bit more hilly, I can see!

Re: Reducing pannier weight

18 March 2015 - 12:06pm
A tip I read from a seasoned traveller/holidaymaker, is to take less luggage but more money.

Forget your panniers, just take a credit card.

Re: Reducing pannier weight

18 March 2015 - 11:04am
Re: cookware. I have used home made coke can stoves for a few years now. They work really well and are very light. Also very cheap to make with home made trivet and wind shield. Then a couple of years ago I bought a honey stove. This is a foldable wood burning stove, weighs almost nothing and folds down to about the size of ten playing cards.
The wood burner provides a nice support for the coke can, if I can't burn wood for any reason( some wild camps or pernikity campsites). Because I mainly burn wood I don't carry any more than 200ml of meths for the coke can, but that's still enough for a couple of meals and a few brews when necessary. I can also use a smidge of meths to light the wood burner.Using only wood as I do for probably 90% of the time, means unlimited brews and meals that can be cooked fully from basic ingredients, because of unlimited fuel supply.
Downsides are a bit more management of the stove when cooking and you end up smelling like a kipper!

Re: Reducing pannier weight

18 March 2015 - 9:14am
Easy small pair of front panniers carried as rear ones, if it doesn't fit it doesn't go, double up on long sleeve cycling tops as evening wear, cycling shoes for bad weather walking about, lightweight sandals for other times, washing liquid and wash stuff, keep hold of small soaps, containers from hotels etc to carry shampoo etc., use a small under arm roll on to save weight and space.

Re: Reducing pannier weight

18 March 2015 - 9:05am
On a side matter, one thing I learnt fairly early on when I was into lightweight backpacking (slightly related) was about being organized in your packing. It won't reduce weight in itself but getting a system together where everything has it's place I found very useful. In a storm on top of a hill with your tarp close to blowing away it is always useful to know where you've got some spare cord for additional guy line and some other piece of kit that you can improvise to keep your shelter together. Everything in it's place in your sack or panniers/bar bag and also when you pitch camp. Put things in the same place.

I think it also helps when you get home so you don't forgt something or put something extra in. That last one was a bad habit I had. When nothing was kept in a set place I had to run around the house looking for things. That meant I spotted things that "were useful". Those ended up in my bags too, but that stopped when I kept certain types of kit together ready to go.

Re: Reducing pannier weight

18 March 2015 - 8:49am
I got my first flip-flops since growing up last year and after the uncomfortableness of the between the toes bit had gone I found them actually very comfortable. This was car camping with family so I had a whole set of shoes for just in case but I often wore these. Mine were expensive Teva ones though, a guilty expense. Definitely a good footwear option for feet recovery IME.

If you do like Rohan then try and get to one of their stores for bargains but especially their one in IIRC Long Preston. Not sure if that was where they started but it is where they have bargain bins and sell stuff off very cheap. that is proper stuf still going well in their shops and online sales not just end of line and didn't sell well stuff. personally never found them any good since they changed the original uplanders trousers. Talk about cockroaches and these trousers surviving anything!!! I only grew out of mine or I;d still have them.

Re: Stuttgart and Bratislava Airports with bikes

18 March 2015 - 8:22am
I too have flown into Stuttgart with a bike and ridden, with ctc group, I do not recall any routes used but nor do I recall any issues, likewise arriving back there for our flight home.

Re: GPS or maps

18 March 2015 - 8:15am
I use an Etrex20/605 and plan all my tours online, I find once I've fettled my route to be exactly how I like it then I don't really need the etrex as I can usually remember most of it! A GPS is very, very handy for town navigation when getting away from stations, for example if the town features many closely spaced turns, and its always there to warn me if I go off course because I'm too busy sight seeing and miss even an obvious turn. Also very good for going off exploring and having the an easy view of just which road to retrace/use to regain the route (I never use the reroute function as the GPS may guess wrong as regards suitability of a road). Maps can do all of this but are a bugger in the wind and rain, and way bulkier on a big tour (or really poor scale) - and maps don't zoom


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