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Re: Calais

1 February 2016 - 11:45am
robgul wrote:I would suggest that you approach the port area from the town side rather than from the east/south - that way you are in the "built up and populated" area for longer.

Rob

Yep, the 'new jungle' appears to be on the east side of Calais, so approaching as I will be from the west and through the town seems like a safe bet. I've heard the coastline from Le Touquet up to Wissant and Calais is very nice. It won't be until end of September.

Re: Critiques of routes for touring

1 February 2016 - 11:02am
Hi. I live in Bredon so I'm familiar with your route from Evesham to Gloucester. Basically you've got a sensible route there. To my shame I don't know what state the NCN path into Aston on Carrant is - I haven't explored it yet, keep meaning to but haven't got round to it yet so I can't advise on the surface or state of repair. If you don't actually want to go into Tewkesbury (no reason why not to it's easy to cycle through) then you can cut through Walton Cardiff on quiet byways to pick up your route to Tredington. To be honest using the A38 Tewkesbury to Gloucester isn't that unpleasant though you'd want to get off it and onto you route before the A40 roundabout. Enjoy.

Re: touring and flying with hydraulic disc brakes

1 February 2016 - 10:43am
I often look at things in terms of risks vs consequences balanced with benefits.

So, ignoring the benefits, things that are likely to happen but don't really cause much grief then I'm more likely give it a go. But things that can cause lots of grief but are unlikely I'm more likely avoid.

Risks and consequences can maybe be quantified (to a degree). So if you are touring in flat countryside with well equipped bike shops every few miles then the grief from a failure will be trivial. But touring maybe in hilly countryside where bike shops are scarce and ill-equipped then the grief can be greater.

Benefits are harder. I understood that people have been touring on bikes with rim brakes and managing to stop. People say mechanical disks are better so stopping is even better. People say hydraulic disk brakes are even better. So are they needed to be able to stop safely? And does the improved stopping outweigh the potential grief from albeit low risk of failure?

I'm something of a novice and I got a bike with mechanical disks (can't comment on good or bad stopping because I've nothing to compare them with). I'm pretty sure I can apply enough braking to lock the wheel with them. Were I to go touring (future hope) I would consider getting a descent tourer and on my wish list would be rim brakes and I think I'd still be able to stop and, if the worst did happen fixing would not cause grief. When I test rode my bike the disks were fine; but by 1st service one disk was slightly bent and needed straightening.

Ian

Re: touring and flying with hydraulic disc brakes

1 February 2016 - 10:08am
molzor wrote:Hello,
I am currently in the process of building up a tourer using a croix de fer frame. The man in the bike shop couldnt understand why I wanted canti brakes, and they dont fit on the frame anyway. I guess i can go with cable disc brakes...But do any of you have any thoughts on using hydraulic disc breaks on a tourer.

I understand some of the pro points for using hydraulic brakes but are they really suitable for touring? and furthermore, has anyone had issues flying with them?

To respond the original question, if I were selecting disc brakes for touring I would stick with cables because they are easier to fix, should you need to, and they don't suffer from overheating hydraulic fluid on long, twisty descents. Braking power is not as good as hydraulics, but they should stop you well enough. Remove the disc when transporting it (quick and easy) to avoid bending it, and take spare pads (weigh almost nothing). And on long descents pull over every now and then to admire the view and allow the brakes to cool. Simple. I'd prefer cantis or mini vees, but if I had a frame designed for discs I would go with a cable system.

Re: C2C vs Hadrian's cycleway?

1 February 2016 - 9:45am
Lovely Cake shop in Brampton on Hadrians route. Its called Mr something or other and the cycling café in Greystones on C2C is fab. First day of Hadrians was very easy so we stayed in Bowness on Solway first night I think it was about 80m but it made the last day shorter for getting back home

Re: Critiques of routes for touring

1 February 2016 - 9:40am
Thanks for the advice. I'll tweak the maps in the ways suggested (which sound very sensible suggestions to me) when I get home from work. I thought I had removed all A-roads except for crossing them; thanks very much for pointing out my mistake.

The Desford route also sounds good. I have gone up to Burton on Trent a few times to swim with the Midland Inland Swimmers group, and usually go through or at least Newton Uthank (spelling?) as I know the route well. I've once cycled to Market Bosworth, but that was many years ago.

I'll give the cycle travel map tool a go as well. I suspect that the cycle travel map tool is not as unwilling to use main roads as I am

These trips are months in the future, so I have time to work on the routes. I'm going on an organised 100km ride on the 14th of Feb, and will start pinning down dates for other rides after that.

EDIT: A34 (and A41) free Oxford route. (Apologies to my employer - though it only took a minute). https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Stone ... 560986!3e1

Re: d lock for touring?

1 February 2016 - 9:33am
I've read a review where one chain or D lock went through a few cutting discs. I can't remember where our b read it now.

The heavier D locks may not resist a petrol powered angle grinder for long but it's longer than the lighter ones next to your bike which is the point. A loud machine is not likely to be carried by anyone out to nick bikes. If it is they'll still go for the least protected bike. Isn't that the idea? You don't need to outrun a bull just outrun the slowest member of your group (or make them slower).

Two different types of lock is considered the best option but that's even more weight than a beefy D lock. BTW if your bike looks good enough I'm sure you'll get it nicked sooner or later no matter what you use. My bike isn't that much of a looker, it's £750 including bits I've added. I'm happy with a light D lock in low to medium risk areas like my work but I intend on.getting a better lock for out and about where I may lock it somewhere high risk without knowing it is.

Re: Great Ocean Road.....

1 February 2016 - 9:21am
tyreon wrote:Have you looked at prevailing wind direction? And weather at the time of that year? You carrying camping equip or hostel/motel etc. How longer time you got to do it? Maybe crazy,but some folder? You too short of time you could put it on bus,back of car easy. You want the experience to say 'you done it' to be pooped,or do it to drink in the experience,have a cuppa on the way?

On buying s/h. There's always a shortage when you want the bike you're after,and a flood when you're absent. Same when you want to sell: no buyers except those offering scrap prices

Australian cars are (were back in the 1990s) much larger than European ones. You can easily put a full size bike in the back of a Holden or Australian Ford.

Re: Great Ocean Road.....

1 February 2016 - 9:15am
West to East (as the OP suggests) is the right way for the prevailing wind.

Re: Critiques of routes for touring

1 February 2016 - 9:01am
Try using this to plot your routes, it always gives amazingly good routes but possibly a bit too reticent to use main roads, you can tweek it when a bit of main road would make the rest of the route better.
http://cycle.travel/map

Re: C2C vs Hadrian's cycleway?

1 February 2016 - 8:57am
Maybe you want to decide according to the things you want to see? There's quite a lot along the Hadrian's Cycleway to stop and see. Museums and walks up to some of the forts, and the top of Housestead's are worthwhile, if you like such things.

I haven't done C2C, but I do like interspering my touring days with museum stops, interesting walks, and nice cake

Re: C2C vs Hadrian's cycleway?

1 February 2016 - 8:42am
Both excellent. As others have said C2C is much more challenging. Both rideable on road bikes just choose the road alternatives, especially on the C2C. Definitely worth checking the state of the C2C as it was badly affected by the December floods that damaged bridges. As Richard mentions, there are some other fabulous rides across northern England eg. Walney to Whitby (or Wear), Roses as well as the N-S Pennine cycleway...

Re: Critiques of routes for touring

1 February 2016 - 8:42am
The Leicester to Oxford route has you cycling along the A34 outside of Oxford. Don't do this. It's an awful dual carriage way that is always immensely busy.

For the Gloucester one it may be easier to head out through Leicester Forest East, then Kirbey Muxloe, Desford, Market Bosworth (or Sutton Cheney), then drop south. This also has the added advantage of not having to go anywhere near Nuneaton...

Re: Great Ocean Road.....

1 February 2016 - 8:40am
Have you looked at prevailing wind direction? And weather at the time of that year? You carrying camping equip or hostel/motel etc. How longer time you got to do it? Maybe crazy,but some folder? You too short of time you could put it on bus,back of car easy. You want the experience to say 'you done it' to be pooped,or do it to drink in the experience,have a cuppa on the way?

On buying s/h. There's always a shortage when you want the bike you're after,and a flood when you're absent. Same when you want to sell: no buyers except those offering scrap prices

Re: d lock for touring?

1 February 2016 - 8:36am
I know cables have a bad reputation, but is this a case where a good cable and a compromise D-Lock might be worthwhile?
With the smaller/lighter D-Lock through the frame/Wheel and the cable round the 'object' and locked onto the D-Lock.

Critiques of routes for touring

1 February 2016 - 8:26am
Hi. Is it possible to get any critiques for my routes for touring?

I prefer to travel on small paved roads with little traffic. I ride a single speed which means that long steep hills are a problem. I'm OK with general hills and occasionally walk up short steep hills. But very long steep hills are a problem.

In case anyone can criticise my routes, here are some that I am planning for this year. Even if people cannot criticise the entire routes, localised advice would be greatly appreciated. E.g. I'm really not sure about my route from Tewkesbury to Gloucester.

Leicester to Oxford: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Stone ... 560986!3e1

Leicester to Gloucester: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Stone ... 642449!3e1

In both of the above cases, I plan to cycle one way then take a train back.

I'm planning a Leicester to Lincoln return cycle ride later in the year. I'll give the route here. But, since I did a one way to Lincoln on Saturday, I feel that this route is reasonably good and probably doesn't need modification. Though, advice would still be appreciated if anyone wishes to comment.

Leicester to Lincoln: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Stone ... 262085!3e1

Re: Great Ocean Road.....

1 February 2016 - 8:02am
hamster wrote: I would seriously consider buying and selling a bike for a one way journey, it may be no more costly than renting.

Interesting....Thank you for the reply......

Re: d lock for touring?

1 February 2016 - 7:54am
In principle I can see no reason to go for the heaviest D locks, providing that the actual lock mechanism is as good as you can get. There is little point in the steel U shape being too heavy because a thief with the tool to cut through a medium weight D lock can cut through a heavy weight one, taking just a few seconds more to do it. Or am I missing something?

Re: C2C vs Hadrian's cycleway?

31 January 2016 - 11:18pm
Hadrians Cycleway is fine on a road bike. It breaks down into roughly 50,70,50 mile days with stops at Silloth and Once Brewed YHA. Three contrasting days really. First day is coastal, second day coastal start then up into Pennines, third day descend off Pennines and follow river to the a East coast passing along NewCastle Quayside.

Re: d lock for touring?

31 January 2016 - 11:12pm
I think Abus D locks are lighter for a given sold secure rating. There's a gold rated one at 1.5kg IIRC and silver ones lighter I think. Compare to kryptonite ones they're 2kg or heavier for their equivalent locks. I'm talking about full sized D locks not the mini ones. I think they use a better grade of steel so the lock can be thinner or lighter for a given strength. I've also heard their frame fittings are more secure without any rattle.

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