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Re: Chromebook for touring?

28 February 2015 - 2:44pm
BeeKeeper wrote:Can you store documents when not connected to the Internet? Even in this country there are places, for example in the mountains or the coast where broadband doesn't work, could you still write up a journal in an equivalent of Word and store it on the device?

Yes, you can use 'Write' offline and save the blog document onto the SSD (16Gb) in the downloads folder. Next time Wifi is available the Chromebook will save it into the cloud if you so wish. With documents in mind 16Gb is huge. If you take photos on an Android phone and save them to Drive they will become readily available to embed in your blog when you have an internet connection. A lot of mobile contracts offer all you can eat data, enabling you phone to become a mobile hotspot, thus enabling you to have internet on the Chromebook whilst on some camp sites without wifi. But, you have to have a decent phone signal. If you have a camera with an SD card you can pop that in the Chromecasts SD card slot. I think you can get adaptors to house phones tiny SD cards too.

Just recharged the battery from 25%, it took 1hr 15m and now predicts more than 11 hours continuous use!


Re: Chromebook for touring?

28 February 2015 - 2:08pm
Can you store documents when not connected to the Internet? Even in this country there are places, for example in the mountains or the coast where broadband doesn't work, could you still write up a journal in an equivalent of Word and store it on the device?

Re: Help

28 February 2015 - 1:24pm


28 February 2015 - 11:47am
I have a surly disk trucker 2014, 56 frame and also a blackburn lowrider fron rack to be fitted.
Has anyone done this and is it possible. The bike is also fitted with SKS mudguards.
Any sugestions would be most greatful.

Re: Chromebook for touring?

28 February 2015 - 11:38am
For route planning I use Richard Fairhursts excellent cycle.travel (just type that in your browser). That gives you a very low traffic suggested route and directions and maps that you can export as a .gpx file. Just save the .gpx in your Google Drive then you can pick it up on your phone or possibly in an internet enabled Garmin? I use OSMand on my phone and the .gpx opens straight into that via the ESM File editor App. OSMand will then navigate you along the route with an onscreen display and voice instructions.

As for operating offline with no wifi my Chromebook has a huge 16Gb SSD which is usually completely empty. If you were to create a Word file this will be temporarily stored automatically until Wifi becomes available, it is then synced to the Google Drive cloud automatically. Nothing but the Google Office suite is available offline.

I agree with Simon about just taking a phone or tablet on tour, that's what I do too. However some folk do love their laptops and for them I believe a Chromebook is a very good option because they are generally light and inexpensive and they all seem to have great battery life, particularly the one I purchased.

There is a Chromebook App store and they all run in the Chrome browser, a lot have a full screen button.

If you have a poor internet connection at home forget the Chromebook it relies heavily on a good continuous internet connection.

I never store my photographs in Adobe formats. I often shoot in RAW but the latest version of Polarr handles that.

Hope that helps?


Re: Garmin Tour mapping

28 February 2015 - 11:24am
DaveP wrote:I haven't had any problems with simply downloading the gpx file to a computer, opening it in Basecamp and then using Basecamp to send the file to a device. This also allows you to check and if necessary reduce the number of way points in the track. (this can be an issue when loading longer tracks into some models

I don't particularly like Basecamp FWIW, but its free, supported by Garmin - and I have already crippled one device while manually loading it in mass storage mode - a twitch at the wrong moment and my file disappeared into the wrong folder, never to be seen again
When copying files I generally use copy & paste (keyboard shortcuts CTRL+C & CTRL+V are useful ones to remember if you do it frequently) rather than drag & drop as there is less likelihood of you putting it in the wrong place.


Re: Chromebook for touring?

28 February 2015 - 11:17am
al_yrpal wrote:Thanks Barrym. I have the subscription version of Photoshop Elements and Lightroom Desktop on my PC, that costs £8.57 per month. To buy these programs costs about £200 so thats what I chose to do a year ago.
Which means that after 2 years you have paid out more than buying outright. And if you purchased outright then next release you would only have to buy cheaper upgrades.

But, stop paying the monthly subscription and you lose the software as well as the work stored in the Adobe proprietary file formats.
barrym wrote:Al,

You're preaching to the converted :D

I'm still not convinced that the Photoshop service won't do all that the desk top one does.

For example, you can run a thin client like Citrix in a browser, and that executes full versions of whatever on a remote host. I imagined that was what Photoshop was doing. There was certainly a big fanfare about this being another 'tick in the box' for ChromeOS to shut up the nay-sayers who were saying you can't do this or that..
I'm sure you can do all that, but my understanding is that Adobe doesn't (although I'm not sure what sort of internet connection you'd require to run graphics intensive applications like Photoshop with a Citrix client). I'm unsure what you mean when you talk about "the Photoshop Service". Adobe Creative Cloud is basically the way Adobe have decided their software is purchased (i.e. no perpetual licence, but an ongoing "pay forever" rather than "use forever"). So now, to e.g. have/use Photoshop you have to pay Adobe a monthly subscription and you get copies of the software to install and run on your PC/Laptop/Mac, just that now you go on paying Adobe forever. They also throw in a little cloud storage (depending on your subscription model e.g. £17 per month get one app and 20GB - which is nothing when talking about the sort of work you are doing); and some much criticised "broken" syncing (that has even been withdrawn before).

But even worse (and probably one failing of the Adobe Create Cloud model) is that on occasions the login mechanism has failed, leaving everybody unable to use their software - can you imagine the reaction from all those professional graphics people with deadlines to meet, materials to be submitted for print deadlines ... and of course Adobe declined to offer compensation nut did than users "for bearing with us".

Of course Adobe do financially very nicely out of it as you end-up (over time) paying vastly more for the same products. I've had Photoshop and Lightroom for years and had I been paying CC subscriptions I would be vastly worse off (and Adobe and their shareholders would be better off). And I will be moving to one of the many alternatives for Photoshop when I feel the need for a new version. Same with Lightroom should that go CC rather than perpetual licence (later this year).

I've nothing against "the cloud" it's just that when your internet is not the fastest around, not the most reliable around you really don't want to have to sit and wait for BT to get their act together when with local (non-cloud) configuration you could happily do what you want, when you want, where you want.

(But maybe I've only experience of one aspect of the CC).


Re: Chromebook for touring?

28 February 2015 - 10:57am
I know it was sort of said above, but can you download and run apps, or is it ONLY in the browser?

I've found my android tablet really useful with a combination of apps and chrome browser. Seems strange google wouldn't have it running apps.

I've thought about one to replace my PC, but wouldn't want to travel with it after using 7" nexus tablet. Wafer thin and about 300 gms.

Thanks for review, very interesting, keep comments coming but don't get too bogged down on photo stuff.

Re: Chromebook for touring?

28 February 2015 - 10:47am
I think a lot must depend on "geography". Living in a rural location my internet is slow and not 100% reliable. Out and about (e.g. cycle touring ?) Wi-Fi internet connections are not available everywhere all the time or you start to pay a lot for a slow GSM data connection. So for me, my circumstances and use, mean that local storage is pretty essential and being able to operate without an internet connection is essential. My understanding is that a Chromebook really needs an internet connection to do much.


Re: Chromebook for touring?

28 February 2015 - 10:41am
Have you found a way to do offline route planning/GPX creation?

Re: Touring in Devon in the 1970s

28 February 2015 - 10:35am
I got a friend like that

Re: Wild camping in England ???

28 February 2015 - 10:24am
Like others have said arrive late leave early, more often its dog walkers who will find you first on common land, I don't believe that if you are clean and leave no mess anyone will be bothered.
At least 2/3rds of Dartmoor is free to camp if you are out of sight of dwellings and 500 metres from a road, basicly anywhere under those rules.
If you camp where people leave mess then expect bother, out of sight is the best thing especially from car headlights.
Open fires are a definite no no on trust land but many easter / weekend revellers still insist on looking like guyforks night.

If you are trespassing then its shortest practical route to a public place not a frog march by angry land owners.

Touring in Devon in the 1970s

28 February 2015 - 10:15am
Informative historical footage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Coi86g8bxE8

Re: Wild camping in England ???

28 February 2015 - 9:11am
I understand land owners feeling less than relaxed about wild camping. I expect everyone here leaves their site clean, but a lot of people don't. I know a park ranger who, on Monday mornings in the summer, does a tour of likely unofficial camp spots and removes abandoned cheapo pop up tents, single use barbeques and all the other litter you might expect. I'm afraid it is the dodgy characters making it difficult for the rest of us.

Re: Wild camping in England ???

28 February 2015 - 8:56am
wild camping in England is a banned subject because it IS illegal.

Wild camping on private property is merely trespass isnt it? The only legal response the landowner has is to make you leave and sue for damage if you do any. I am more worried about any illegal actions that people may take against me.

I have chatted to people in roadside Gypsy camps and they say it is legal and lets face it, if the Police had any grounds to make them move they would have rapidly done so.

If you are thinking of lighting a real fire then that is where the real problem lies. I have been caught by landowners a couple of times as I am packing away and they have fortunately always been friendly towards me and more interested than annoyed. I think the situation would be rather different if there was any more impact to the surroundings than my little patch of flattened grass.

Re: Orange / Vaucluse / Luberon - ideas?

28 February 2015 - 8:39am
Thanks everyone. Some really helpful stuff there. I have the detailed maps and the choice of good routes is enormous. This area is as near as I know to a cycling heaven.

Wild camping in England ???

28 February 2015 - 8:38am
It's generally a no go in England without the landowner's permission. I believe you can wild camp at 600 feet ASL but that means the top of Scafell Pike which is pretty bleak.

Some on here (myself included) do wild camp although officially 'we don't'. Arrive late and leave early. Clear up after yourself, extinguish your fire pit properly and use a 'poop shovel' to make decent cat scrapes. I never take a tent, preferring a hammock or in fine weather? The open sky. The trouble with wild camping and part of the reason land owners get so miffed is that a minority (as usual) leave their empty cider bottles and litter for him/her to deal with. I've come across a family tent, sleeping bags and gallons of vomitus. Unpleasant.

Enjoy: A great experience.

On the Bushcraft UK forum, wild camping in England is a banned subject because it IS illegal....b

Re: Turkey april2015

28 February 2015 - 8:17am
If you haven't already looked try www.crazyguyonabike.com and enter places you plan to visit in the search facility. For example Cappadocia will lead you here: https://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/pag ... 60886&v=Mp

Re: Chromebook for touring?

28 February 2015 - 7:40am
Yes the latest versions of photoshop & lightroom are available online for a monthly subscription.
Whether that's cost effective for the non professional user is debatable IMHO.

Re: Bar end shifters or STI

28 February 2015 - 7:38am
I've used STI since they exist (early nineties,is it?) And travelled everywhere with them .
last year i bought a tourer with bar end shifters and just have traveled 5000 km in south east asia. Well,it's perfect!
Definitely more fun with STI but less problem with the bar ends....
Conclusion : I have two bicycles .in europe i use STI and in developing countries i prefer bar ends shifters.
if i had to keep only one bike i would stay with STI...


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