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Re: Do you ride out of the saddle?

10 September 2014 - 4:16pm
Never really thought about it, but saw this post yesterday and stood up today. Unfortunately not one of your examples.

Riding in town, came to 5 way junction. Approached slowly and double looked all ways. By this time I had slowed down a lot (not stationary) and was in too high a gear for the 'quick' pull away so had to stand to get the bike going.

Showed lack of anticipation and over caution, must try harder!!

Re: 700c wheels in India?

10 September 2014 - 4:05pm
You are right about 32 hole being harder to find (certainly in Asia). 32s are more associated with higher end (MTB) bikes. The norm on the local cheapies is 36.

This is the opposite to here where we normally get 32s on our stock bikes and 36s are a bit more specialised for touring.

Re: Ditching my Hybrid for a full Spec Tourer

10 September 2014 - 4:02pm
I gave up my Marin hybrid for a Dawes Super Galaxy 12 years ago. Together, we have had unimaginable fun. I like riding a bike with a timeless shape; it just feels right. I have other bikes, but when I hang the panniers over the rack on Friday and bungee on the tent for a weekend up North, it'll be like putting on my favourite adventure boots.

Having said that, I wouldn't mind fitting a Rohloff and disc brakes.

Re: Show your touring bikes !!!!

10 September 2014 - 3:56pm

Not loaded up but you get the idea

Re: New Route Planner

10 September 2014 - 3:08pm
Richard, I looked at your App months ago when you first mentioned it. Tried it again this morning with OSM and I must say I was well impressed. So easy to generate a great route and pass it through and then let OSM give you directions as you ride. Pretty seamless compared with other things I have tried. I loved the local ride suggestions to local pubs, tea shops and fine houses too. I shall have a go at some of them. Keep up the good work...


Re: Show your touring bikes !!!!

10 September 2014 - 1:42pm
Dave Yates steel tourer

Re: New Route Planner

10 September 2014 - 1:03pm
sore thumb wrote:Just did a route with the planner. For a commute of around 17 miles into birmingham.

I was looking at roads that are not too busy with traffic but provide a reasonable fast route for a cyclist as I average around 18 mph.

However the planner comes up with cycle paths and canal paths and my route has gone up from 17 miles to 20 miles. And a time from 2hrs 30mins when I could really do it in around an hour I think.

Is there anyway to put in my average speed so the planner removes slow routes but keep me off the 'main busy road sections' ?

Have you tried Cyclestreets? It gives you a choice of three routes - fast, medium and slow. Not that I want to detract from Richard's work, which I find very useful, but sometimes it is good to have alternatives.

Re: 700c wheels in India?

10 September 2014 - 11:21am
We cycled in West Africa last year and split the rear 26in rim in the Western Sahara. It was a 32 hole rim and it took us a good while to find a replacement. 36 hole seems to be the West African standard. May be different in the east, but still something to bear in mind. 700c would probably be even more difficult to source. We worked on a project which received donated bikes from the UK and even here there were very few 700c's. For peace of mind I'd go with the 26in option. An old steel mountain bike would suffice.

Re: New Route Planner

10 September 2014 - 10:59am
That one's been puzzling me for a while now. I think it's an issue with the software that loads raw OSM data into the map database (osm2pgsql) - the mode I use it in appears to have problems with data which is both a lake and an administrative boundary. Still looking into it!

Re: Do you ride out of the saddle?

10 September 2014 - 9:26am
This is the touring board, and I generally tour on a 'bent, so that kinda limits me to the nice comfy chair...

But changing to a 'bent did change the way I ride, getting me far more appreciative of spinning gears sat down, and even on the upwrongs I'm far less likely to get out the saddle to pedal than used to be the case (when I was a kid I was a terrible masher so practically lived out of the saddle, if you can dignify the plastic thing on a Raleigh Olympus with such a name... maybe that's why I was so keen on standing up!).

My first ever loaded tour, I went around the corner from home, stood up and swung the bike as usual, and got that entertaining rack and luggage oscillating slightly out of phase with the bike thing. Didn't crash, but it was a close thing. That gave me a rather different perspective on standing with a load and without, but now I'm coaching sporty cycling for kids I've got to re-acquaint myself with swinging the bike when standing. The main problem is getting the kids to sit down more often and use lower gears, they're almost as bad as I used to be...


Re: New Route Planner

10 September 2014 - 5:07am

There are some dry lakes in Switserland. See also my posting on the OpenStreetMap forum.

Re: Do you ride out of the saddle?

10 September 2014 - 2:01am
Only when I'm setting off from a standstill, if the hill is steep enough that sitting wont do it but short enough that the extra effort required wont kill me or when my rear end needs a break.

Funnily enough, I just remembered an article in a mountain bike magazine years ago where the author suggested that (cross country) mountain bikers were getting lazy and spending too much time in the saddle

Re: Do you ride out of the saddle?

9 September 2014 - 11:29pm
No never.
I ride a recumbent, so standing up is impossible .......

Re: Ditching my Hybrid for a full Spec Tourer

9 September 2014 - 10:16pm
do know why u just dont tour on your Specialized Globe City 3.1. looks good enough for the job? Unlike racing bikes touring bikes are more a purpose than a design?

Re: knee pain and touring

9 September 2014 - 10:04pm
Isometric quads. exercises....https://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=ie7&q=isometric+quads+strengthening&rls=com.microsoft:en-GB:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7SUNC_enGB402&gfe_rd=cr&ei=a2UPVITyA4GX-Ab61oCgDg&gws_rd=ssl.....the first one up is a bit academic, 2,3 & 4 seem OK.
If your foot is held at the "wrong" angle (by cleats, random features of shoes/pedals) you will get knee discomfort.....you will also get knee discomfort if problems with either the ankle or the hip joints (or over-pronation, etc.) mean that the knee is forced to do anything other than a straight hinge motion, or if you habitually pedal with your knees sticking out to the sides.

Re: New Route Planner

9 September 2014 - 9:10pm
andrew_s wrote:Do I assume that the traffic data is the most recent available from some government source, rather than using the live phone tracking data that shows up on Google Maps?Yep, exactly that.

jamesgilbert wrote:As there seems to be no limit to what you can do, it would be nice if there was a link to the ferry details (for the Oban to Fort William example on your website), in the route directions...That's a brilliant idea. Will try and work that in.

andrew_s wrote:The next step would be to ask for a time/day of week to avoid roads that were busy at commuting time, but fairly quiet otherwise sore thumb wrote:Is there anyway to put in my average speed so the planner removes slow routes but keep me off the 'main busy road sections' ?Have to admit there is a limit to what I can do and it's that...!

Essentially all the routes are precomputed. This takes ages (12 hours for Western Europe) and lots of memory (128GB to precompute, then 16GB-ish permanently in memory for the router) but means that the response time is blisteringly fast - that's what enables dragging the route around, Google-style.

The corollary of that is that there's one routing profile. To have different preferences (e.g. less towpath), or different times of day, would mean another 16GB (and another 12 hours) for each possible variation. I think Google probably have enough servers for that but I don't! Also the 128GB server absolutely deafens me for the 12 hours that's it's running.

If you don't like the route it's chosen for you, you can drag it onto another road - the total mileage updates as you do that. I'm aware the estimated times are a little conservative at the moment and I'm planning to put in an option so you can say how fast you cycle - i.e. so it says 1hr30 for a 23-mile route rather than 2hr30, if you see what I mean. But do have a play around with dragging the route.

Re: 700c wheels in India?

9 September 2014 - 8:58pm
I would have thought it was easier to work with a limited choice of bikes here than buy a 700c bike and find nothing there

Re: knee pain and touring

9 September 2014 - 8:51pm
531colin wrote:"skicat"...
Straight-leg isometric quads. exercises will tone up the Vastus Medialis very quickly, this would be my preferred option over taping, and can do no harm at all.
I don't know what 'Straight-leg isometric quads' are. Googling brings up a number of articles/Youtube vids, none of which seem to agree with each other. Do you have a link to what you have in mind?

531colin wrote:I find stretching beneficial.....stretching after exercise means I am less stiff next morning, but you should relax into the stretch, not use it as (another) form of competition, eg see how low you can go. God alone knows what extreme form of stretching would damage the Achilles tendon.....ever watched a high-jumper? that tendon is the thing that launches them.
If riding alone, I would stop, stretch, and self-massage as soon as the knee started hurting.....with the leg straight and the muscles relaxed, just gently move the knee-cap around....practice on the un-injured leg.
Ok, I can do that.

531colin wrote:I rode for maybe 40 years with clips and straps, and I wouldn't give up my SPDs for anybody. Despite what the SPD-haters say, there is more float in SPDs (etc) than in flat pedals, and it really is FREE float. Random ridges on rubber soled shoes will hold your foot at a "wrong" angle, set SPD cleats precisely so the "right" foot angle is "in the middle" of the float and the system is much better. In the old days of nail-on shoe plates http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/components/shoeplates-components.html I had to file out the slot like a trumpet-mouth so my foot could move.
Set your saddle as this thread http://forum.ctc.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=74985, use low gears, also short cranks if you are short-legged.
I don't use cleats or clips. I tried some non-strapped clips a few months ago but found they gave me pins and needles in the toes so took them off again. I have rat-trap type pedals and wear stiff outdoor shoes which have quite a pronounced tread. This means my feet don't slide about on the pedals but I agree that it may also mean I may not be able to get my feet into exactly the right position in the first place. Having said that, the ball of my foot is over the pedal centre and aside from the knee, I don't notice any other discomfort.

We addressed the bike-fit question in this thread.

Re: knee pain and touring

9 September 2014 - 8:42pm
Psamathe wrote:I'd suggest seeing a physio. Privately they can often fit you in pretty quickly (given your timescales) and they don't cost much (the ones I see occasionally cost around £35 for appointment). Whenever I've had to see a physio they have seen me next day; and given your 2 weeks timescale I suspect they could fit you in pretty quickly.
Ok, sounds like a good plan. I only have one experience of visiting a physio, and that was after spannering my lower back lifting paving slabs ( , I know, I know...) I was supposed to be getting on a plane to Canada the next day and could hardly walk. The physio got me up and about in the space of an hour, well enough for the flight, so I do have a bit of faith in their craft. I'll make some enquiries tomorrow.

Re: Do you ride out of the saddle?

9 September 2014 - 8:41pm
If I stand to relieve bum pressure, it's always on an incline in a higher gear than I'd use seated, but while trying not to work any harder. I figure that the muscles will recover their shape faster if being used. But that's very much distinct from standing to climb, where I'd be putting extra effort in.


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