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Re: GPS or maps

28 March 2015 - 12:00am
Why not just just look at the compass arrow before you stop?

Cycle Touring Festival - May 2015 - Lancashire

27 March 2015 - 10:43pm
No idea what you are all moaning about. As a gardener I'm used to planting things deep in the ground. Do let me know if you need any deep holes need filling. CTC crowdfunding gratefully accepted. I'm flexible on what goes into said hole...b

Re: GPS or maps

27 March 2015 - 9:39pm
I have to agree with you on the compass issue, it doesn't half get on my wick.

Re: Newcastle port to central station - route wanted

27 March 2015 - 9:39pm
coastman wrote:There is no need to cross the river and go up the south side.
I don't think anyone said you needed to, it's a question of preference, though it seems one that nobody shares with me. I liked being closer to the river and the views across into the shipyards, plus of course the ferry. I have no recollection of busy roads, but then memory is sometimes like that...

Re: GPS or maps

27 March 2015 - 9:33pm
Vantage wrote:I would strongly suggest the etrex20 over the 30 purely on cost. I'm not sure what the 30 offers that is £30-£40 more expensive and the bright orange of the 20 will certainly make it easier to find if it wanders from the mount. Speaking of which...

I'm a happy owner of a 20, but if I was buying again it'd be the 30. The main advantage is the compass when stationary, there's been several times when I've not known which way was which when stationary. No big deal, just ride a few meters and the GPS compass kicks in, but enough of an inconvenience to stump up the extra next time. (I'd also prefer the grey colour)

Re: cycling to Italy

27 March 2015 - 9:33pm
Have to disagree on a few points: I cycled to Naples 6 years ago and to Imperia 2 years ago, both times over the St. Bernard pass. It's only steepish for the last 5 kms up to the top and the gallery section is not a big deal; there is a hard shoulder and with rear lights on no problem. The noise of passing cars is worse than their proximity. It's half a day from Martigny to Aosta. Liguria from the north through Cuneo and south to the coast is fine. Easy gradients and much better than the other way round. If you go from Turin to Alexandria to Genoa again it's fine but a challenging climb near Ricco if you are following the coast around towards Sarzana.

Re: cycling video collection of ascents:Alps, Pyrenées,Canar

27 March 2015 - 9:30pm
Hello !
Based on the two most famous database of the world's ascents (salite.ch , climbbybike.com ) the climb of Grosser Oscheniksee (2394 m) is the hardest or 2nd hardest paved climb of the Alps. It is situated in Austria, Carinthia. Length: 17 kms with 9,8%, but the last 10km is the hardest with no light part, with avg steepness: 13% (mainly 14-15%, sometimes 19-20%). There a 10% section should be considered as light, gentle It's a serious challenge !
From now on there is a detailled, long (32 min. long) video about it to motivate the cyclists to visit this epic, monster, killer climb
Enjoy it !



Best regards,
Gabor
facebook.com/cycling.high

Re: GPS or maps

27 March 2015 - 9:24pm
If you decide upon maps then take them with you. I really struggled to find paper maps in Germany a couple of years ago. The shopkeepers all told me, "But no one wants them any more." Only two years earlier I seemed to be able to find them anywhere. I love maps, me.

Re: Sardina

27 March 2015 - 9:22pm
Yeh, nonno and nonna were prisoners of war in WW2. They moved back to Italy in the sixties with my aunts but dad stayed in England to go to university.

Would love to go back to Sardinia but i haven't even managed to go to Italy for 5 years and I have family there than would put ne up for free!

Re: Sardina

27 March 2015 - 9:17pm
The interior is thoroughly recommended and in fact the regione is now making efforts to promote it more so that sardinia is not just seen as a beach destination for 8 weeks of the year.

Sardinia has changed a lot - old ladies widows dressed in black used to be very common in the villages.

The interior is very rich in archeological remains, some barely mapped (well only on very specialist maps)

I first went to sardinia in 81 - took me 3 days by train and ferry (slept on the deck from genova to porto torres) - these days young sards treat london as a suburb of cagliari - hop on easyjet.

You are part italian by blood i take it honesty.

All the best.

Let me know if you head that way again

Re: Cycle Touring Festival - May 2015 - Lancashire

27 March 2015 - 9:00pm
Tasker wrote:I am so glad you obviously won't be at this event as you would not get anything out of it other than sitting in judgement of other peoples motives, I doubt you have it in you to apologise for the above post so i am most likely wasting my breath. Someone tries to do a little more for the cycling community and you shoot them down says a lot about you as a person they do have a term for it though it's called a keyboard warrior.


I stand by every word I say. 65 quid to be subjected to a load of peddlers of tours/'touring wear', (who I'm sure you've also charged handsomely to attend - and some of whom are probably ok).

Thing is, you forgot the target audience... What are your credentials? Where yer from? Ever been on a bike? - you show us yours I'll show yer mine like. I don't see any of that here.

What's the next marketing opportunity then?

Exactly what I would have expected you to say you seem incapable of anything else. Sad really I wonder what made you such a bitter jealous individual. Still on the bright side you won't be there so thats a plus one for everyone there. And ROFL whats wrong with discussing where you have been, last poster had it right someone needs to take you back to your village.

Re: GPS or maps

27 March 2015 - 8:59pm
You'll be wanting to take both a GPS AND a map or series of maps. I found this out the hard way and it cost me my first attempt at touring.
The etrex20 went all pear shaped on me after about 30 miles and after storm force rain, wonky pannier racks and being blown around like a ragdoll, the gps failing was the final nail in the tours coffin. Hoping to try again soon.
I would strongly suggest the etrex20 over the 30 purely on cost. I'm not sure what the 30 offers that is £30-£40 more expensive and the bright orange of the 20 will certainly make it easier to find if it wanders from the mount. Speaking of which...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B001 ... ge_o04_s00

That's the one you want. The cheaper copies out there are from what I've read, prone to breaking and rubbish at holding the unit. It'll mount on either bar or stem. I've done both but prefer the bar so I can angle it depending on where the sun is. Reviews vary on how secure it hold the etrex (too tight or too loose) but if loose, a strip of electrical tape will sort that. If tight, it soon loosens. Mine did. You might want to consider a lanyard in case it does leave the mount. (Unlikely. It only happened once to mine and was following a particularly nasty pothole)
Anti reflective screen covers work wonders too as the etrex 20 and 30 screens are terrible in direct sunlight. I bought mine in Nov 2012 and despite daily use ever since, I'm on the same cover I fitted back then. They're tough stuff.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B006 ... ge_o07_s00

As for mapping, I personally would avoid Velomaps as in my experience on repeated occasions, it likes to shove you down mudbath tracks rather than roads if the situation arises that you need its auto routing. OpenfietsMap is far superior imo.

Re: North Sea Route - Norway (Kristiansand - Bergen)

27 March 2015 - 7:46pm
s_b wrote:The link North of Stavanger was a headache for us last summer. We found the tourist office in Stavanger to be quite useless for cyclists. The staff were mostly foreign students doing summer jobs. They were well-briefed for the common tourist excursions and accommodation but had little local knowledge for the out of the ordinary.

this was exactly my experience, and it turned out the ferry wasn't running (March). I'd suggest getting onto Warm Showers message board, and trying to find someone in Stavanger who many be able to help you out with finding times, etc. I ended up cycling inland via a ferry to Tau, and then round to Bergen.

I was told the E39 tunnel had a cycle ban, and you needed to use a bus.

Re: North Sea Route - Norway (Kristiansand - Bergen)

27 March 2015 - 7:20pm
The link North of Stavanger was a headache for us last summer. We found the tourist office in Stavanger to be quite useless for cyclists. The staff were mostly foreign students doing summer jobs. They were well-briefed for the common tourist excursions and accommodation but had little local knowledge for the out of the ordinary.
The tourist office gave us a timetable on Friday afternoon for the Stavanger-Kopervik ferry route which, when we were packing up to go on the Saturday morning we found only ran Mon-Fri.
Better than the tourist office is the local travel planning web site which has all modes of transport and is easy to use:
http://reiseplanlegger.kolumbus.no/scripts/TravelMagic/travelmagicwe.dll/?lang=en

Our solution was a ferry to Nedstrand (some are direct, we had to change at one of the islands) then easy, quiet and pleasant ride across towards Haugesund (we headed North at Aksdal). There are commuter passenger ferries that ply the islands which will take bikes - as well as the Norled car ferries.

The Stavanger-Kopervik ferry is no longer running at all (NB the North Sea cycle route web site confirms this information) so you only have 2 options: ferry to Nedstrand, like we did, or put your bike on the bus that goes through the E39 tunnels (the Kystbus)
https://kystbussen.no/kart.aspx
You can't cycle on this part of the E39.
Timetables for both options are on the Kolumbus site above.

You can still get a ferry to Kvitsoy but the next link North to Skudeneshamn was stopped when the new E39 tunnels opened 2 or 3 years ago. You can see that on the Norled maps here:
https://www.norled.no/en/maps-and-schedules/ferry/rogaland

re. the Kystbus (route Stavanger-Bergen with stops in between). They only take bikes on a standby basis, which means they wait to see if they have space in the hold when the other passengers have loaded. This shouldn't be a problem and buses are frequent. On that route at least bikes cost 60% of the adult fare, which is not cheap.

Camp sites are not so frequent but if you're OK with wild camping you'll be fine. Be careful as not all camp sites accept tents. The camp site at Nedstrand, for example, was a residential one (though one of the residents phoned the owner who was OK about us staying there for a night). There's always at least one camp site within a day's ride, so it's just a question of planning ahead a bit.
Don't go to Brusand camping south of Stavanger though - I must do a post to warn people off that campsite. An alternative is Ogna camping on the cycle route about 5km south of Brusand.

The route was mainly well signposted and easy to follow without detailed maps. We just got our phone out to check the route a couple of times a day when the signing was missing or not clear (using offline maps on Viewranger or OSMand). I'll post some comments and tips on the route another time.

Re: Reducing pannier weight

27 March 2015 - 5:49pm
I found the easiest way to lose weight off my bike was to lose it off me... but often the hardest to do... when I did a JOGLE i weighed more at the end....

Re: Cycle Touring Festival - May 2015 - Lancashire

27 March 2015 - 5:25pm
Tasker wrote:Geoff.D wrote:I came across this whilst browsing. I found it interesting.

http://www.alastairhumphreys.com/cycle- ... -festival/

From the info I've managed to garner this sounds like a right 'hoot'! £65 indeed!

Loads of middle aged, (and of course, at the weekend), middle class earnest tree huggers. Dressed in the best that the 'Outdoor Adventure Specialists' have to offer - sitting there all serious and taking notes. Think ludicrously expensive bikes unloaded from posh cars a mile down the road from a Trip Advisor hotel - sorry! 'Charming B&B' so they can sit there and be persuaded into booking tickets on a 'carry yer bags Squire?' Cycling adventure in that there Lore vallie......

There's a lot of danger when the middle class/aspiring working class that for so long recently regarded a bloke on a bike as a failure, move in. Perhaps they're hoping to meet some 'interesting Characters too?

What a carefully crafted marketing scam.

I blame Charles for all this. Gotta go like, got to take her down the pub - might even take the wife too. Vote UKIP!

I never thought I would come across a troll on this site....

I am 44 and that counts me as middle aged, but put a few things straight:

1. I built my own bike
2. I am leaving on a trip around the UK & Irish coast and I have done plenty of cycling
3. Tree Huggers absolutely preferable and far more interesting than someone who's only contribution is to deride

I have spoken to the organiser of this event who has funded this up front from her own pocket, and if you think the £65 is expensive then go try doing it on the cheap for yourself, with ticket sales of only 200 and then organising, paying for and insuring the event. Not to mention the abuse from small minded people who without actually trying to do the sums for themselves sit and pontificate, imagine how hurt her feelings have been by this sort of comment "carefully crafted marketing scam" do you even think before you open your mouth??

danger from people moving in???? in to what, since when has there been a barrier on cycling, since when has been on a bike being viewed as a failure???? Voting for UKIP what the hell has that got to do with anything? We are in a democracy vote or not vote for whoever we want to vote, again non of your business that's why voting is private.

Interesting people of course there will be, I suggest getting off your own high horse for a second and consider that whatever reason someone is attending is their own business, if they want to hug trees or take notes good for them, if they want to spend 5 min on their bike or 5 months there's no difference as long as they are doing what makes them happy.

As for ludicrously expensive bikes and posh cars, whats the matter my friend??? If you have earned it you spend it how you please and nothing to do with you or I, such cheap shots again show you for the sort of person you are.

I can't imagine what it must be like to live in the head of someone who gets so offended by other people doing what they enjoy they have to write a post so lacking in constructive comment..

I am so glad you obviously won't be at this event as you would not get anything out of it other than sitting in judgement of other peoples motives, I doubt you have it in you to apologise for the above post so i am most likely wasting my breath. Someone tries to do a little more for the cycling community and you shoot them down says a lot about you as a person they do have a term for it though it's called a keyboard warrior.

Re: Sardina

27 March 2015 - 4:40pm
Just uploaded my photos from Sardinia in 2003 to flickr here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/onestia/sets/72157651185539638/ - any questions, just give me a shout.

Re: Cycle Touring Festival - May 2015 - Lancashire

27 March 2015 - 4:26pm
Geoff.D wrote:I came across this whilst browsing. I found it interesting.

http://www.alastairhumphreys.com/cycle- ... -festival/

From the info I've managed to garner this sounds like a right 'hoot'! £65 indeed!

Loads of middle aged, (and of course, at the weekend), middle class earnest tree huggers. Dressed in the best that the 'Outdoor Adventure Specialists' have to offer - sitting there all serious and taking notes. Think ludicrously expensive bikes unloaded from posh cars a mile down the road from a Trip Advisor hotel - sorry! 'Charming B&B' so they can sit there and be persuaded into booking tickets on a 'carry yer bags Squire?' Cycling adventure in that there Lore vallie......

There's a lot of danger when the middle class/aspiring working class that for so long recently regarded a bloke on a bike as a failure, move in. Perhaps they're hoping to meet some 'interesting Characters too?

What a carefully crafted marketing scam.

I blame Charles for all this. Gotta go like, got to take her down the pub - might even take the wife too. Vote UKIP!

Re: Sardina

27 March 2015 - 4:15pm
Thanks

we went out of season, first week in September and the beaches were dead. Got to love the Italians really short high season.

Badesi town was small, though we did get a really nice restaurant meal in it (well it seemed to be after we had drank rather a lot of house red), and the camp site and beach was a bit of a walk away. Seems to have disappeared now anyway. Valledoria definitely seemed to be a tourist seaside resort, rather than having any other intrinsic value like Alghero. they we're mainly stop offs for us and we ended up spending 3 days in Maddelena/Caprera as it was so lovely.

Re: Sardina

27 March 2015 - 3:54pm
Am impressed by your knowledge of Sardinia Honesty.

I know Badesi and Valledoria.

Though in truth there are nicer places I think.

In season Valledoria/Beadesi beaches are just full of side by side Italians grilling themselves.

And there's not much in Badesi itself.



Some pics of my Sardinia pedalling here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/37034456@N06/

They are the pics with the green and cream brommie and orange Dahon Speed Pro.

Re the post above about heat, yes it will be getting hot at the beginning of July but I passed on this being a concern as the OP didn't seem to be planning a major expedition and seemed flexible on how much pedalling they did. So you could pedal at the beginning of the day, stay out of the sun for several hours and then pedal a bin in the evening.

But you do have to be careful of the heat in high seasion - it can very easily hit 35 pushing 40 degrees C.

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