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Re: Tour de Manche Mapping (St Malo-Roscoff)

18 August 2014 - 2:44pm
simonineaston wrote:Without wishing to get too nerdy about maps & scales... here's 2 small samples of a road I know well in Brittany. Note that several minor lanes clearly visible on the IGN sample are missing from the Michelin. However as I say a bit of common sense works wonders - the missing minor roads are fairly self-evident when you came across them. Fairly, but not always
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I would be happy to take the Michelins, though, in spite of my reservations - it's largely a question of awareness - so long as you know that the dustiest small lanes may not be marked, you can make a judgement, 'specially if you've got a compass with you, to double-check the direction of your intended travel. Have Fun!!

Great example, but there's a couple of things that complicate matters;-) The IGN will show all those little white roads as exactly the same size so actually following one is very difficult because when you get to a junction it's not obvious which road is the 'through' road. You end up with a maze of roads all the same size and personally I find it almost impossible to follow. The 'missing' roads on the Michelin tend to be those not taking you anywhere and those marked will be the obvious 'main' road at junctions with roads that are unmarked (normally;-) Also Michelin is much better at showing the same small villages which are signposted at road level - often the IGN will show a village that's not signposted but miss a village that is (and some villages aren't in the correct place!). Once you get a feel for how Michelin work you'll find them much easier to follow and more accurate overall.

The other interesting thing is that the level of detail on the 1:150,000 Michelin is the same as the 1:200,000! The larger scale merely being a blow up of the smaller! So just buy (for example) the orange 512 and you cover the whole of Brittany - you'll need at least 4 IGN to do the same (or two of the 150,000 Michelin).

Lastly the 1:200,000 Michelin are waterproof and indestructible;-)

And that's why we supply Michelin - not IGN to our customers and use them exclusively on our own tours;-)

Way of the Roses coast to Coast

18 August 2014 - 2:40pm
I am planning to do this ride next spring over 3 days using B&Bs. I have never done any multi day rides before which means that I don't really know what to take with me to wear apart from the obvious cycle gear. I don't want to carry anything that I won't use. Any advice?

Re: NCN Route 1: Dover to John o'Groats

18 August 2014 - 2:21pm
Richard Fairhurst wrote:Enjoy - it's a great route. I did it all over several holidays and loved most of it, apart from getting lost in Newport. (The missing section there has been fixed since.)

Bear in mind that the Fishguard-Carmarthen bit is hilly - nothing too stratospheric, just the sort of mile-after-mile up-and-down that can sap your energy. Once you're past Carmarthen it's reasonably plain sailing.

There are printable maps available online if you don't want to pay the cost of the printed maps.
Cool, thanks for the advice! I did a similar thing going up the length of England I started at the lizard in Cornwall & it was a "tad" hillier than I was used to

Maps found & downloaded! Cheers!

Re: NCN Route 1: Dover to John o'Groats

18 August 2014 - 12:44pm
pete75 wrote:mjr wrote:A grass field? That's better than the sand, gravel and dirt tracks between the Norwich City Council boundary and somewhere near Whitwell:[...]

Looks ok to me. Have ridden many miles on tracks like that and worse on 32mm tyres without problems.
I think you'd want 50mm on much of it. I was running 28 front and 37 rear and it was very slow going, rather dodgy on the steeper downhills and absolutely no fun IMO. The picture doesn't really capture that typical rims will be submerged under sand or gravel at some points. I simply couldn't ride one section and walked off to a nearby near-parallel road, switching back only when the alternative was an uphill drag of A1067 - that section was slightly better, but it deteriorated again.

If the roughstuff fellowship want to use that sort of thing, good luck to them, but why can't it be labelled it as a bridleway or MTB route and not part of the National Cycle Network?

Re: Advice regarding fixed touring base/ support company

18 August 2014 - 12:16pm
We stayed at a campsite near Allemond, at the foot of the Croix de Fer, about 4 miles down the valley from Bourg d'Oisans. They had some small on-site chalets, as we didn't want to camp, but plenty were. Friends have stayed further up the valley. There's a B&B called "Chalet Michelle", owned by a British couple, or there are a few places to stay in Bourg itself.

Take a bike with low gears - the Alpe in particular is very steep, as is the very top part of the Galibier.

Re: NCN Route 1: Dover to John o'Groats

18 August 2014 - 12:00pm
dakari-mane wrote:Am planning on doing the whole of NCN4 in September. Starting at Fishguard & finishing back in London. Just wish you didn't have to buy so many ruddy maps to cover the whole route (too expensive for an incomplete route so I'm not going to buy any, I'll just will wing it).

Enjoy - it's a great route. I did it all over several holidays and loved most of it, apart from getting lost in Newport. (The missing section there has been fixed since.)

Bear in mind that the Fishguard-Carmarthen bit is hilly - nothing too stratospheric, just the sort of mile-after-mile up-and-down that can sap your energy. Once you're past Carmarthen it's reasonably plain sailing.

There are printable maps available online if you don't want to pay the cost of the printed maps.

Re: Bridge out on Lon Las Cmyru at Portmadog - options?

18 August 2014 - 11:45am
Rode this from Chepstow to Holyhead last week. We followed the traffic through in convoy. After the lights we managed to get to the next part on the sustrans 8 route before any cars caught up with us as the lights were in the other direction.

Re: NCN Route 1: Dover to John o'Groats

18 August 2014 - 11:24am
mjr wrote:A grass field? That's better than the sand, gravel and dirt tracks between the Norwich City Council boundary and somewhere near Whitwell:

I rode it from the westernmost point on the curve to Norwich this year. Never again.

The change from tarmac in Norwich to gravel outside reflects the historic attitudes to cycling of Norwich City Council (generally encouraged - and this helps because they have an agency agreement with the county for their area) and Norfolk County Council (tolerated), in my opinion.

Looks ok to me. Have ridden many miles on tracks like that and worse on 32mm tyres without problems.

Re: Ten Bike Touring Convoy!

18 August 2014 - 10:52am
That's awesome!

Re: NCN Route 1: Dover to John o'Groats

18 August 2014 - 10:49am
Am planning on doing the whole of NCN4 in September. Starting at Fishguard & finishing back in London. Just wish you didn't have to buy so many ruddy maps to cover the whole route (too expensive for an incomplete route so I'm not going to buy any, I'll just will wing it).

Re: NCN Route 1: Dover to John o'Groats

18 August 2014 - 10:07am
A grass field? That's better than the sand, gravel and dirt tracks between the Norwich City Council boundary and somewhere near Whitwell:

I rode it from the westernmost point on the curve to Norwich this year. Never again.

The change from tarmac in Norwich to gravel outside reflects the historic attitudes to cycling of Norwich City Council (generally encouraged - and this helps because they have an agency agreement with the county for their area) and Norfolk County Council (tolerated), in my opinion.

Re: Advice regarding fixed touring base/ support company

18 August 2014 - 9:20am
Thanks Treva, that sounds pretty good, we'll start researching that area. Thanks for the advice

Re: NCN Route 1: Dover to John o'Groats

18 August 2014 - 9:03am
There should be a medal for anyone who could follow the whole of a NCN route. Doubt I've managed it for more than an hour.
1600 mils in 14 days is 115 mils a day. An extremely hard task on good roads, I would say, for the normal mortal, impossible on any NCN route.

Re: NCN Route 1: Dover to John o'Groats

18 August 2014 - 8:29am
pete75 wrote:Doubtful. People have done Lejog moreless in one go - the record is held Gethin Butler in 44 hours but he probably stopped to get his head down for a few minutes from time to time. NCN 1 is over 1600 miles so it'd be very difficult to do it in one go without a half decent sleep stop.

When I said " in one go" I really meant in about two weeks with overnight stops....

Guernsey

18 August 2014 - 2:30am
Hey all, am off to Guernsey for a short break this weekend coming with the bike. Will only be there for just over 48 hours, so with limited time are there any recommended things we should do, places should ride to?

I know the island isn't very big so getting places by bike should hopefully be simple enough!!

Thanks

Re: First Tour

17 August 2014 - 11:31pm
Spinners wrote:Regarding maps and getting lost, well over 20 years ago my brother-in-law and I were on a 44-mile MTB ride and got lost in a heavily wooded forest before reaching an intersection where about six fire-roads met. A hippie-looking backpacker soon appeared so I asked him, "Where are we? His retort, after a few seconds of reflection, was a cosmic, "Where do you want to be?"
That seems a reasonable reply to me - better than "in the middle of a forest", surely? The junction is unlikely to have had a meaningful name.

Re: Round the World Tour at 61

17 August 2014 - 10:42pm
b1ke wrote:I don't think hating a job is a good reason to pedal round the world. Wanting to pedal round the world has to be the primary driver. I find the right headspace is crucial for long tours to succeed. Without that the trip may turn into a burden.
+1 I think you need to separate the two things.

Re: First Tour

17 August 2014 - 9:54pm
You haven't failed. You have conducted a first trial. You have learned what didn't work for you. Hopefully you will make some changes and try again. This will make you feel good. Or you can quit and continue to wonder what it would be like to tour.

Re: Round the World Tour at 61

17 August 2014 - 9:49pm
I can't tell you whether to do it or not, only you know that. I will tell you that I, at age 64, bought a touring bike, equipped it and then shipped it over to Europe from the US and rode from London to France and then East on to Budapest, about 1800 miles in 37 days.

I had a great time, learned a lot about touring and me and Europe.

I retired many years ago and tried touring because I was bored and adventurous.

I am divorced, no kids, live on a pension, very inexpensive housing, no debt.

Re: NCN Route 1: Dover to John o'Groats

17 August 2014 - 9:46pm
You would need to be a bit of a masochist to do a tour of 1600 miles on Sustrans routees.

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