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Re: Reducing pannier weight

19 March 2015 - 9:33am
Ferial wrote:I Follow the rule of 1 on, 1 for spare and 1 in the wash. Light weight, quick-dry clothes + a tangier stove to save on meals. I survived 6 weeks through France & Spain like this.

For the merino stuff I don't need the spare, wear one wash one, change when it's dry or I need it. It also helps to have a mid layer that is still comfortable next to the skin, just offers more options. I don't want to be washing all the time, twice on a two week tour is enough and only then if I need clean clothes for traveling home. I've never tested merino to it's limits, there's stories of people using it for weeks before it becomes smelly.

Re: Best saddle for touring

19 March 2015 - 5:56am
Brooks B17 is just fantastic. I've used it for years. Perfect in hot climate as in south east asia!
i don't even use lycra short anymore.because it's so comfortable.

Re: Custom Wheel Build around Son 28 Dynamo Hub

19 March 2015 - 1:45am
I'm about to do the same as I try turn a 29er mountain bike into a tourer type thing. I might just use the standard OEM rim but then try buy some decent spokes. This is because I already have it (cost) and I don't have weight on the front of the bike so shouldn't be too much stress on it. I've never really problems with even pretty basic front wheels touring (rear ones different story) although I pack light with no additional weight on the front. I think you can get the SON 28 in 32h and 36h. Total cost roughly 210 for hub + 30? spokes (equivalent cheapo OEM 29er rim maybe £25 if I didn't already have one).

I've built some wheels with Rigida Sputnik rims on another bike I've toured on. No problems there so far - they seem solid and were cheap (think I got them from eBay).

With the Son hubs do you happen to know which is best if you are only interested in charging a phone?! (not fussed about lights) I think when I researched this before I concluded the 28 would be best but now I'm questioning myself...

Re: Tour de Manche

19 March 2015 - 1:17am
I live near Bournemouth/Poole and last year set off for Lands End and so cycled this route from the Sandbanks Ferry to Exeter before deviating. I'd never heard of it until that trip when I kept seeing the signs along the route. I think anything like this is a good thing and it has a nice twist in that it is a multinational loop.

However the thing that I remember about a good part of the Dorchester to Exeter section is that it was no walk in the park - there were a couple of steep undulations in there! This is not really a negative - there is probably no avoiding it in that part of the world - it's just the thing I remember and maybe I wrongly have some expectation in my head that European/nationally funded/promoted routes are generally more easy going (like the bit around the Exe estuary). It does a do good job of keeping away from busy roads and of course you have some great countryside and coastal scenery to cycle through. Elsewhere there were one or two short off road sections where I was thinking 'i'm glad I'm not trying this on a racing bike' but they could probably be avoided quite easily with some minor detours if you wanted to.

Part of my issue with the short steep climbs may have been taking on a bit much each day - end of day 1 I camped near Axmouth then Day 2 ended in Dartmoor somewhere.

This map shows what bit I'm going on about:

http://ridewithgps.com/trips/4245019




Re: Custom Wheel Build around Son 28 Dynamo Hub

19 March 2015 - 12:04am
Rigida Sputnik rims built by SJS cycles are a good strong rim although I'm not sure that they do one with 36 holes that I believe your Son hub needs

Re: Sustrans Routes

18 March 2015 - 11:58pm
There are a couple of ways to enhance cycle.travel's usefulness as a planning tool. (At least that appears to be the case; ask me again at the end of May when we get back from a five-week tour of unfamiliar parts of England.)

1) You can check the nature of on-road routes and the presence of Access Points to traffic free sections with the Street View function on Google Earth.

2) This from Richard Fairhurst, cycle.travel's creator in response to a recently posted question of mine http://forum.ctc.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=94782
You probably know this, but if you click a section of planned route on cycle.travel, you can see pictures taken by the lovely users of geograph.org.uk - often helpful in recce-ing surfaces and path width.
This works a treat in many locations.
The weak point in both techniques is that the information may be quite dated, but in planning at a distance (across the Atlantic) I find they offer some real advantages over the blind fumbling that has been my previous method.

Re: First two weeks tour in Europe in June: where?

18 March 2015 - 11:08pm
Portugal is one of my favourite countries to cycle. Gorgeous, we did Lisbon to Santander in late May/ early June and had a big mix of weather from over hot to cool and overcast and then snow in the mountains! ( we sheltered in a shepherds hut with the shepherds and there were real hams hanging from the ceiling). Fabulous border forts too along the spanish border (Almeida). Gorgeous roses along the Tagus with little white towns and then in the back country valleys around places like Castelo Branco full of wild flowers.

If campsites are closed little hotels in the small towns are cheap and clean except for a dodgy workers hostel high up in the Douro valley that I'd rather forget (Mogodouro). I'd like to go back and make it to Braganza as my companion thought it would be too mountainous getting there.

Ps cycling from Lisbon airport is ok. I went back last year and would still assess it as doable.

Re: First two weeks tour in Europe in June: where?

18 March 2015 - 9:57pm
Regarding eastern Europe, Montenegro is amazing, especially the Piva Gorge. I've heard great things about the coast too. I also loved Bosnia. Romania had busy main roads or dirt tracks and not much else. Slovenia is also very pretty especially in the Julian Alps. And though only Montenegro of those countries uses the currently cheap euro, the other countries are even cheaper. Happy cycling!

Re: Reducing pannier weight

18 March 2015 - 8:50pm
matt2matt2002 wrote:Great tips here. Many thanks to everyone.
I am flying to Turkey in June so thought I would have the added twist of a luggage limit.

Amazingly it is 40 Kilo. ( bike separate weight allowance ). So its not weight that will be limiting my packing but size.
If its not the weight that gets you, its the volume!

Buy one of those large laundry bags - you can get 4 panniers and a few other bits in one - you'll look like a migrant but what the heck! cost is a couple of quid and it folds down small enough to sit in the bottom of a bag for the trip.

Re: Chainstays too short?

18 March 2015 - 8:33pm
RickH wrote:BeeKeeper wrote:What do you want panniers for?
or the road equivalent...


Because they keep the weight lower for better handling. Stuff can pretty much get flung in rather than carefully packed. They are quicker to put on and take off the bike. There is plenty spare capacity for stocking up with bulky beer and food near the end of the day. They don't take up space in the main triangle which I use for my 1.5L water bottle. There is space above the rear rack for my bulky but light tent and closed cell foam mat.

I don't need to strap anything to my handlebars. I like to be able to see the front wheel. But that's just a personal preference as most tourers seem to use bar bags.

Downsides for on road use? Panniers and racks are a bit heavier.

Re: Reducing pannier weight

18 March 2015 - 8:28pm
al_yrpal wrote:Weigh your clothes one by one and choose the lightest stuff its surprising with things like tee shirts and trousers what a massive overall saving can be made. Your shoe plan is spot on.

Al

I am not sure that taking massive overalls are going to help

(he..he....sorry al )

Re: Sustrans Routes

18 March 2015 - 8:25pm
Thanks Guys! It seems my suspicions may have some substance. Reminds me of the saying, 'if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is!' Sustrans, as you say is a nice idea. Looks like a little more research is needed with a good bit of flexibility built into the trip!

Re: Chainstays too short?

18 March 2015 - 8:04pm
BeeKeeper wrote:What do you want panniers for?
or the road equivalent...

(from this topic)

Rick.

Re: Reducing pannier weight

18 March 2015 - 8:00pm
Great tips here. Many thanks to everyone.
I am flying to Turkey in June so thought I would have the added twist of a luggage limit.

Amazingly it is 40 Kilo. ( bike separate weight allowance ). So its not weight that will be limiting my packing but size.
If its not the weight that gets you, its the volume!

Re: Chainstays too short?

18 March 2015 - 7:55pm
What do you want panniers for?

From http://www.whileoutriding.com/

Re: Chainstays too short?

18 March 2015 - 7:45pm
My Kinsesis Racelight also has 42cm chainstays & I can fit Ortlieb Back Rollers (40 l - on a Super Tourist DX Topeak rack) to clear my size 10 feet if I set the clips right so they hang beyond the back of the rack slightly, but do make the steering a little light depending on the weight in them. Front rollers (25 l) fit on the back with no problems.

Alternatively you can get an extensions to move panniers back (designed primarily for use with a child seat).

Rick.

Re: First two weeks tour in Europe in June: where?

18 March 2015 - 7:33pm
You can use a ferry to cross the river from Lisbon and then a short ride to the Parque Natural da Arrabida, which is one of Portugal's loveliest parks. It only rises to 500m so not too hilly and the coast has lots of little coves or bays. There is also a ferry from Setubal which takes you into Northern Alentejo which has wall to wall beaches.
You may have to reverse your steps to return, though with careful planning you should be able to do a circular ride back to Lisbon, getting the ferry from Montis perhaps, but there are a lot of motorways and busy roads to stay clear of.

I will be in Northern Portugal in May - will let you know what the weather is like!

Re: Chainstays too short?

18 March 2015 - 6:57pm
I think it depends on how much money you’ve got, and your priorities for spending it. A few years ago I did UK to Palermo – which is also majorly hilly – quite happily on a bog-standard 21-speed Raleigh hybrid, camping, so it’s quite doable. OTOH, if you want and can afford something fancier, go for it.

Re: Best saddle for touring

18 March 2015 - 6:29pm
Everyone always talks about how long it takes to break in a leather saddle, but that hasn't been my experience. I've now done about 7000km on my B17 and it was comfortable from day 1, but it hasn't really got any softer than when I bought it. I am quite careful about protecting it from the rain and I've put some Proofide on it a couple of times.

Re: Reducing pannier weight

18 March 2015 - 6:15pm
Ferial wrote:I Follow the rule of 1 on, 1 for spare and 1 in the wash. Light weight, quick-dry clothes + a tangier stove to save on meals. I survived 6 weeks through France & Spain like this.

Best tip so far [emoji471] Similar system I used when a backpacker. The only time it didn't work was one area on the Moçambican border where you had to carry your own firewood in! [emoji31]

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