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Re: Lighting a bike/high vis on tour

18 October 2014 - 9:31am
maxcherry wrote:So why do people in Hi-Viz, with lights and helmet get knocked over ?

Did I ever say they didn't?

I just think there's more chance of a cyclist being seen by wearing brighter colours. That's all.

Re: Lighting a bike/high vis on tour

18 October 2014 - 9:21am
It seems to me to be ridiculous that much cycle clothing is black, I call it the new yellow.

The Highway Code rule 59 says cyclists should wear the following

appropriate clothes for cycling. Avoid clothes which may get tangled in the chain, or in a wheel or may obscure your lights
light-coloured or fluorescent clothing which helps other road users to see you in daylight and poor light
reflective clothing and/or accessories (belt, arm or ankle bands) in the dark.

There should be no doubt that anyone unfortunate enough to be involved in any incident and not wearing appropriate clothing does so at their risk /choice.

Re: Lighting a bike/high vis on tour

18 October 2014 - 8:57am
pjclinch wrote:What hi-viz certainly does that started me wearing it is standing out at very long distances, but the more I thought about it the more I realised you don't get hit when folk are a long way away. I can't recall any incident (driving or riding) where I've suddenly come across a bike (or car) at short range because it wasn't a conspicuous colour (including plenty of "stealth cyclists"). I can recall those where something turned up out of a blind spot, or where my own observation had been poor.maxcherry wrote:Black stands out in daylight. It's not true that bright colours make people more aware.Two answers from me here.

We were driving home from Liskeard in September, and there's a long stretch where you can see maybe half a mile. It's a great place to get a move on and perhaps overtake slower vehicles and lorries etc.

The road was clear, I was doing about 55mph maybe 60 it was about four in the afternoon and lovely bright weather. In the distance we saw a "shape" and as we got nearer it was a cyclist dressed in mainly black. There was no problem and we gave him plenty room as we passed him, but it was only because I had my eyes peeled into the distance that I saw him. Had there been a string of vehicles, I doubt we'd have seen him quite so early.

Obviously, cyclists don't get hit by vehicles a long way off and obviously I'd have seen him eventually and early enough to be no problem, but it is nice to see that the road is clear a way off so you can plan your line.

Had he been wearing something brighter, he would have been seen for what the "shape" was.

Re: Lighting a bike/high vis on tour

18 October 2014 - 8:29am
Black stands out in daylight. It's not true that bright colours make people more aware.

Re: Lighting a bike/high vis on tour

18 October 2014 - 8:05am
maxcherry wrote:Why does wearing black matter if I have lights on my bike?
Bright colours are for being seen in daylight.

Re: The Struggle in lake district

17 October 2014 - 8:19pm
Just had a look at Google earth and the road I am thinkin of is indeed north rd, which goes past the unicorn pub and then past kirkstone foot I think, it seemed to go on for quite a while and I only joined it bout half way down walking it I think, not quite sure where it ends up at though

Re: The Struggle in lake district

17 October 2014 - 8:10pm
It's a long time since I walked up that road but I don't know how long it stays tarmac - obviously it is a bit of a dead end for vehicles. Looking at the map I can easily believe that it may be as steep as the struggle, but not as long.

Re: The Struggle in lake district

17 October 2014 - 7:45pm
Yep Bicycler, defo went up the struggle via the small roundabout out of Ambleside and eventually up to the hairpins near the top of the Kirkstone inn. I seem to remember a road called Sweden bridge on the right as I walked down what I think is the kirkstone rd to the bottom where the gem or stone shop is, so by the sounds of it our wires have got crossed between me and the guys in the shop. Looked pretty steep to me walking down it and a climb I have not done before on my bike, it seemed to go on fir quite a way, but definitely not the "struggle"........although it would be!

St Malo to Narbonne

17 October 2014 - 7:30pm
Hi Linda,

It's a beautiful route. I rode it earlier this year and may ride back to Olargue again next summer.

Mazamet to Narbonne, there's a cycle track that uses an old railway line takes you through Olargues (really pretty town), then you can go:

Roquebrun, Cessenon sur-orb, Puisserguier, Capestrang, Montels and Narbonne.


Below are my actual tracks:
Route from Castelnaudery to Olargues.
http://cyclemeter.com/9fb89c614db84b86/ ... 40524-0939

Route from Olargue to Narbonne
http://cyclemeter.com/9fb89c614db84b86/ ... 40601-1208

If you'd like to see my earlier route which takes in La Rochelle, give me a shout. You can ride canal Du Garonne and midi for a large part. Excellent flat cycling in shade with good paths.

Most of the ex railway line cycle paths are also excellent and not too hilly (trains can't do steep hills).

Gary
http://www.longbikeride.co.uk

Re: Lighting a bike/high vis on tour

17 October 2014 - 7:06pm
jamesgilbert wrote:someone who came very close to being deliberately run over

I had a car in Kenya hit me. I was riding on the pull off part that bikes and pedestrians use, so not even on the main road. A cyclist coming the other way said that car tried to kill you!

My bags are high contrasting colours in purpose and the incident happened during daylight. There's no accounting for these situations.

I'd go high contrast, cateye rear light and a good front light. Which is what I have equipped at the moment.

Gary
www.longbikeride.co.uk

Re: The Struggle in lake district

17 October 2014 - 6:57pm
The Struggle really refers to the whole climb and there's only one road up to Kirkstone pass once you leave Ambleside. There are a couple of ways of getting onto that road in Ambleside (either Smithy Brow or North Road) but they don't make much of a difference. What I think you have done is come down from Scandale down Sweden Bridge Lane which was the old packhorse route up to High Sweden Bridge and (probably) Scandale Pass. In which case you were misinformed by the shop staff. they probably misunderstood what you were saying. The road up to Kirkstone is definitely "The Struggle" http://goo.gl/maps/Awb76

A silly question here but when you cycled up the Struggle you did actually go all the way to the top at Kirkstone Pass right? That's about 3 miles of constant steep climbing! Either you didn't go all the way to the top or your memory is fading if you think any of the other roads around Ambleside is tougher.

Re: The Struggle in lake district

17 October 2014 - 6:20pm
Sounds like you "branched" off the Struggle before reaching the smalI island at the bottom..

Re: The Struggle in lake district

17 October 2014 - 6:16pm
The road I know as The Struggle tops out just opposite the Kirkstone Pass Inn. It has a signpost on it - 'The Struggle'.

Re: Lighting a bike/high vis on tour

17 October 2014 - 6:15pm
elioelio wrote:Hi there,

Just wondering what other tourers do? Any tips?


I have a rule - I do not ride at night - however, life is not always perfect

I carry lights - red light leds to attach to panniers - front lights in the form of battery powered leds for front - plus head torch for map reading and signposts - plus a heavily reflective cycle specific waistcoat - all in all I end up looking like some sort of large stroboscopic bee - do i care - not a jot

C2c tom woodcock cycle route

17 October 2014 - 5:42pm
I'm going on the c2c in June and look forward to it.I would love to hear from anyone with information on good b&b hostils the mileage dun between stops

Re: Lighting a bike/high vis on tour

17 October 2014 - 5:19pm
Going slightly off topic, I remember seeing a tour report on Crazyguyonabike by someone who came very close to being deliberately run over in New Zealand! So in some situations camouflage gear would be appropriate

Re: Lighting a bike/high vis on tour

17 October 2014 - 5:05pm
Cateye Rapid 3 front and rear, seem to run forever on one AA battery available everywhere, clips can be got so that they can be put on clothing (I have a few knocking about for the price of postage), add them to a headband and you have a very capable head torch, so thats one item instead of two to carry

Personally would never go out without Hi Viz waistcoat, but there is a lot of merit to the contrast/stand out posts that have been put on this thread, as is wearing something 'unusual' - I wore an Altura Night Vision jacket in red when it was an unpopular choice and it stood out from miles away on the road, the new post office jackets are almost pink in certain light

80's shell suit jacket? Pink (on a bloke)? Afro party wig on helmet? Saw an excellent lycra top once that made the rider look like a crash test dummy - anything that is going to catch a drivers eye and trigger them to look again is worth it

I spend all day on the road looking at other peoples driving whilst having to gauge how they react to whats going on and its the unusual that rings alarm bells, not whats brightest and boldest

St Malo to Narbonne

17 October 2014 - 5:03pm
Hi, can anyone offer any advice on this? My friend and I are cycling this route next June. We want to go via La Rochelle and Cognac and then possibly Brive la Gaillarde to Figerac but I understand that may be hilly?! Alternatively, we'll go via Bergerac to Cahors and then on to Mazamet. Also is there a best route from Mazamet to Narbonne across the Black Mountains?
Any advice gratefully received for two ladies in their 50s! We have our touring bikes but we're more used to our road bikes so this will be a challenge!
Thank you!
Linda

Re: Lighting a bike/high vis on tour

17 October 2014 - 4:55pm
So why do people in Hi-Viz, with lights and helmet get knocked over ?

Re: Lighting a bike/high vis on tour

17 October 2014 - 4:32pm
Spinners wrote:mjr wrote:Spinners wrote:Newsflash: We're a more vulnerable road user.
So? That only matters after the collision.
Prevention is better than cure/collision.
Yes, and prevention is best based on evidence, which suggests that contrast beats hi-vis, while active and passive lighting beats both.

Does anyone really think that drivers of black cars don't care whether they're in a collision?

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