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Oxford to Pembroke

18 July 2014 - 4:46pm
Hi Folks,
I am currently touring around the Cotswalds by bike and would like to add a visit to Ireland by way of ferry from Pembroke.
Can anyone please recommend a route from Oxford (my current base) to Pembroke?
I can easily handle 50 to 70 miles a day under easy to moderate conditions.

Thank you in advance for your thoughts.


(PS - this represents a change in plans (Oxford to Holyhead) since I first posted a few weeks ago.)

Re: Gothenburg - Malmo - Copenhagen - Berlin

18 July 2014 - 4:37pm

I've never cycled in Sweden, Denmark or Germany so really looking forward to the trip...we have plenty of time from end of August for about 2 and half weeks so should be good.

Re: Norway from the South to Trondheim

18 July 2014 - 3:22pm
However, to miss the fjords in western Norway would be to miss some of the most beautiful scenery in a beautiful country.
+1 for this! And, if you're travelling in the summer season, you can use some of the tourist boat services through the fjords if you ever need a bit of a breather (as well as the services up the coast, as Vorpal says).

Vorpal's right about the Inland Mozzies, too...

For large-scale route planning in Norway, by the way (and armchair travelling!), I use the 'Sykkelruter i Norge' map( http://www.nomaden.no/main/index.php?option=com_phpshop&page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=7795): it's a little bit out of date now (esp. on the ferry routes it shows), but it gives a sense of which routes are feasible (and shows the banned tunnels), so it can be a good way to sketch out a general route before getting down to details.

Re: Gothenburg - Malmo - Copenhagen - Berlin

18 July 2014 - 2:56pm
The picture of my bike alongside here was taken in Denmark during a cafe stop in Sakskobing on Lolland - nice bright day with the thermo reading over 35c!

Re: Gothenburg - Malmo - Copenhagen - Berlin

18 July 2014 - 2:47pm
Thanks pal, that's helpful and appreciated.


Thanks foxyrider,

I'm not fixated by wildcamping - I just thought some advice could be helfpul in advance in case we were stuck between places or in the event that something happened.

Thanks for the advice too, very helpful.



Re: Clothing layers for Touring

18 July 2014 - 2:43pm
Thanks everyone for the useful replies. I'll have to filter the various lists down to what I think will be useful (for example, I don't think I'll be needing the sports bra, but thanks anyway Slow Loris ). I didn't mention, but I'm doing a B&B tour so I'll be able to shower every evening and probably wash clothing in the sink when necessary. Also, because I'm not camping I'm not planning to take full-size panniers.

My final list might be influenced by the long range weather forecast a few days before departure.

Re: New Route Planner

18 July 2014 - 2:21pm
Thanks, that was quick!

Showing photos at the top of the pass now shows what it's really like

Re: New Route Planner

18 July 2014 - 2:03pm
Yep - have now done that!

Re: Clothing layers for Touring

18 July 2014 - 1:40pm
Hi Skicat,

late September 2014 - Scotland....... King Alex will demand a passport, layers are the least of your worries!!!!

Nah, even the midges are still alive then, you'll be good in a couple of T-shirts,

Have a good trip,


Re: Any ideas of good 3 day (mainly off road tour)

18 July 2014 - 1:24pm
Dean wrote:Day 1 - Darlington to Cow Green (it's possible to link a few off-road bits to ride almost completely along the Tees, or on the road), pick up the Pennine Way and descend High Cup.

Camp on the moss, or there's a YHA in Dufton.

Day 2 - along to Knock and up the military road to Great Dun Fell, then carry on along the bridleway over the Tees to Tynedale.

Camp on the fells, or there's a YHA bunkhouse in Alston.

Day 3 - back over Yad Moss and down Teesdale back to Darlo. You could cut through Hamsterley if you wanted a bit more off-road, of course.

Might give that a go next week actually. Is that one you've done Dean?

Re: New Route Planner

18 July 2014 - 11:04am
I tried a route from Aviemore to Braemar, just to see what it did, and it came up with a crossing of the Lairig Ghru.

When I checked the photos to see what the path was like, it turned out that the whole of the Lairig Ghru was a single 13-mile section between Piccadilly and the Derry Burn, and that showing the photos anywhere along the section gave the same selection of photos in the same order, so you'd got to go through all 75 of them to check out any one part.
Would it be possible to sort the photos so that those closest to the click location were shown first?

(also on YACF topic)

Re: Clothing layers for Touring

18 July 2014 - 9:46am
What I take touring (My touring is fully self sufficient cycle camping)-

Rapha long sleeved merino baselayer
Haglofs fleece
Buffalo windshirt and/or a Gore windproof gilet
Berghaus GoreTex jacket.

Rapha touring shorts or Tracksters
Rohan silk undercrackers

Woolie Boolies

And a set of dry/clean clothes.

Re: Norway from the South to Trondheim

18 July 2014 - 9:09am
Some additional thoughts occurred to me.... do you count the fjords as coast? If so, much of pal's route is coast. However, to miss the fjords in western Norway would be to miss some of the most beautiful scenery in a beautiful country.

When will you go? Are you camping? The inland route is probably swarming with mozzies this time of year.

If it's riding on the coast you don't want, you can use ferry service along much of the west coast?

Re: Clothing layers for Touring

18 July 2014 - 8:38am
You def need some new kit. Absolute minimum of 2 shorts and 2 tops. Wash each night and wrap in towel (after you have showered) to remove excess water, to aid drying (think what you will do with damp kit next day if it has not dried overnight)*
A lightweight long sleeved top that can be worn on cool days or double as a top for evening wear.
Spare trousers for evening
Arm and Leg Warmers
Wind/Waterproof Jacket
obviously Socks / Undies
Spare pr lightweight shoes for evening.

* I have attached still wet clothes on saddle bag / pannier the next day if not entirely dry to dry in the breeze but this may not be possible if it is a wet day.

Re: Clothing layers for Touring

17 July 2014 - 11:41pm
I've always taken the wear one and wash one approach. Ie 2 cycle kits. I'd make it one pair of shorts and one of longs and a couple of technical tops but YMMV. Then a thin layer fleece and a thicker jacket fleece, and a waterproof jacket, cycle shoes, socks and gloves has done me on the bike. In luxury years I might take a pair of shorts, sandals and a t shirt for evening wear.

A wooly hat and warm socks doesn't go amiss for chilly campsite mornings or evenings. I've cycled up on the Massif Central in September and through snow in June in the Picos de Europa with this combo and it was fine after warming up from the snow storm in the local bar with a glass of tinto.

Clearly your fleece and cycle shoes can double as a pillow too!

Until I went cycling to the Netherlands where it rained non stop. I got a pair of waterproof trews there and some of those waterproof covers for your cycle shoes. I'm not sure if I'll bother taking these to Brittany in the summer though as mostly a bit of wet isn't too cold, it's persistent cold rain that would make me reach for the full on waterproofs.

Re: Norway from the South to Trondheim

17 July 2014 - 10:55pm
There's not much in Norway that isn't either on a coast or through a tunnel

Tunnels should all have a work-around of some sort. It might be an old road or a bus. Generally speaking, bikes are allowed on buses and trains in Norway, though some routes may require advance booking.

I don't know all of pal's route, but I might suggest from Rjukan, Kongsberg, Hønefoss, north of Oslo to Eidsvoll, Rv 181, Rv24, Rv3, Rv30. From there, there is a choice of all on-road Rv705, then a road along the fjord; or Rv30, then mixed surfaces Fv630, to gravel track to Fv671...

Alternatively, if you want to go to Oslo, Kongsberg, Drammen, Oslo, then north.

Why do you want to avoid coast? If a little coast is okay, you can go up through Vestfold, then Drammen, Kongsberg, Rjukan? Then back and north via one of the alternatives above?

If you haven't found it already, http://www.vegdata.no/2014/06/17/cyclin ... an-tunnels is useful. There is a link 'Link to this vegkart-query'. If you click on it, there is a nice map that shows tunnels, and the status with regard to cyclists. It's also a better map than Google

Re: Norway from the South to Trondheim

17 July 2014 - 9:50pm
It's hard to avoid both coast and E6 all the way, but a possible route might be Kristiansand to Haukeligrend (pretty much due north up the Rv9), then up to Odda (E134 and Rv13), north again up to Voss, and down to the Sognefjord (still on the Rv13). Then things get a bit trickier (given your constraints). One option would be to bear (slightly) west (Fjorde > Stryn or Nordfjordeid > Geiranger), which would get you to the coast at Andalsnes (from where it's a nice run up to the Atlantic Highway; one unavoidable banned tunnel at Kristiansund [you have to take a 15 minute bus ride: bikes taken without problem, though], and the coast road to Trondheim). Another option (from the Sognefjord) would be to head East, over the Sognefjellsvegen (a great road!) to Lom and Dombas; there's then a short stretch on the E6 (though it's marked as a recommended cycle route at that point...) up to Oppdal, at which point you could divert on the Rv70/Rv700 to Meldal and Trondheim. A third option would be to head to Lom from the Sognefjord, but then cut back over to the coast from there (which would save you the E6 stretch, but leave you with the small tunnel problem at Kristiansund...)

To include Rjukan, I suppose that instead of turning West at Haukeligrend, you'd just head East instead (down the Rv362/37). From there, perhaps you could head up Numedalen (Rv40) to Geilo, then over to Gol, then Rv51 up to Eidsbugarden (there's a bit of unsurfaced road on this section, but it's easily manageable on a road bike: less lumpy than some UK tarmac...); boat ride down Lake Bygdin (again: bikes no problem); then back on Rv51 up to Dombas (then as above).

Norway from the South to Trondheim

17 July 2014 - 9:10pm
Trying to plan a route from one of the ferry ports on the South coast of Norway (ferry from Denmark) to Trondheim without going round the coast or using the E6. But every route I try seems to end up on the coast or on the E6 or in a banned tunnel. Does anyone know a way through? Touring bikes so nothing too extreme off road.
To complicate things, I'd really like to call in at Rjukan if possible, though it's looking like I'll have to give up on that.

Re: Clothing layers for Touring

17 July 2014 - 6:26pm
+1 for merino wool layers and buffs. I use Icebreaker layers which aren't cheap, but they've lasted me for years in hot and cold climates. Gilets are also very versatile. Consider layers that can all be worn at once if it's really cold. In case it's helpful, this was my clothes list for a two week camping trip in late April with cold evenings. Regular handwashing and, yes, I was Billy no-mates :

2x vests – 1x merino.
2x merino briefs. 1x padded shorts.
1x sports bra, 1x regular bra.
1x pair of merino hiking socks. 2x pairs of quick drying thinner socks.
2x longsleeve merino tops – 1x thin, 1x slightly thicker.
2x quick drying shirts – 1x used as a towel.
1x quick drying walking trousers.
1x lycra running leggings.
1x lightweight cycling jacket, converts into a light gilet.
1x insulated gilet, can be worn over jacket.
1x pair arm warmers. 1x pair knee warmers.
3x buffs – 1x for my head, 1x as a flannel, 1x for any manner of things.
1x pair cycling mitts. 1x pair wooly gloves.
1x pair Lidl cycling shoes.
1x mac in a sack (not very) waterproof – won't be packed again.

I should have packed:
A wooly hat.
Another pair of light shoes – my feet were permanently wet .

I've since bought:
A Paramo Velez Adventure Light smock – warm, waterproof and worth the money .

Re: New Route Planner

17 July 2014 - 5:09pm

Adding Europe's been more challenging than I thought it would be - the huge amount of data involved has been a bit of a stress on the server. But it's giving me all sorts of ideas for cycling trips...


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