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Re: Weight distribution.

26 February 2015 - 1:18pm
60/40 rear/front is ideal (remember the barbag is part of this) I think others have mentioned all the major points and of course you want to keep the weight low for stability - especially on the front! Don't fill the bags but do weigh them, with two bikes it should be fairly easy to spread the load to give you best performance.

Re: faroe islands anyone toured there, how did you get there

26 February 2015 - 12:50pm
http://www.beaconrcc.org.uk/hubub/2014/ ... -forecast/
This is an article I wrote for CTC magazine some years ago following a four week stay camping by bike. Great place.

Re: Touring in Norway

26 February 2015 - 12:15pm
The Map Shop is a very good source for Norwegian maps, and also very helpful at advising if you aren't sure quite what you need: http://www.themapshop.co.uk/europe/rest/norway.htm The Nordeca 1:50,000 series covers the whole country -- but probably give more detail than you really need for cycle touring (and the cost mounts up, too!). You can get away with the 1:400,000 'Veikart' maps (4 sheets for the whole country) if you aren't planning on going off-road (to any great extent), and don't mind not knowing how steep the hills will be until you get to them (there's something to be said for ignorance being bliss, actually...). A compromise are the 1:100,000 'special sheets', which show contours, and a bit more detail -- but which don't cover the whole country (there's an index map on the Map Shop webpage).

Re. your question about Bergen: I'd say it's worth visiting -- it's one of my favourite cities in Norway (or anywhere). But: it isn't the nicest city to cycle in or out of, I have to say. It might be worth using a train or boat to avoid slogging through the suburbs? (There's a fast boat route from the end of the Sognefjord down to Bergen [and vice versa]).

Re: Weight distribution.

26 February 2015 - 12:09pm
jamesgilbert wrote:I don't think I've ever heard of someone having heavier front panniers than rear, maybe it's the other way round? There was quite a lengthy discussion about the pros and cons of front panniers here: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=89652


I thought it quite unusual advice but it may well be geared towards getting an even distribution of overall weight across the length of the bike? It sort of makes sense if you look at it that way. The video from the Adventure Cycling group and America bicycle is quite clear on the advice..........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to0YTIj_tyY

weight distribution in panniers is covered approx 1.00 minute in.

Re: Weight distribution.

26 February 2015 - 11:42am
I have made the decision that I am willing to trade off any handling issues for the weight savings.

I often tour (and ride) with a very rear heavy bike, I can feel that this causes handling problems especially off the bike. However I soon got used to it and the bike which I do it to is very good at taking it.
On a 200ish mile weekend tour I may feel it is an issue a couple of times. Most of the time I feel like I am not on a fully loaded tourer so much as a slightly heavy Audax bike. It is most noticeable when I am carrying my food shopping as well as camping gear. Without my weight on the bike the front wheel goes skyward at the slightest provocation. On the plus side I can get through obstructions like kissing gates very easily, just pop it on its back wheel and push it through.

Re: Weight distribution.

26 February 2015 - 11:30am
jamesgilbert wrote:I don't think I've ever heard of someone having heavier front panniers than rear, maybe it's the other way round? There was quite a lengthy discussion about the pros and cons of front panniers here: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=89652

A long time ago in Ireland I bumped into a couple of French ladies on a long tour but hosteling/b&bs. They just had 2 large front panniers only and were very happy with this arrangement. I was camping and added small front panniers to my large rears, this also worked well for me until I lost one front pannier when I tore down a steep straight lane only to find that the surfacing ran out in the dip at the bottom, brought home how important it is have a well secured and balanced front load!

Re: East West C2C Spanish Pyrenees Tour.

26 February 2015 - 11:18am
Thanks both for the helpful replies!

sweatpee - in light of what you are saying here I might have a go at the unnamed route but then have some alternative surfaced road options planned out if the unpaved sections turn out to be too much to be enjoyable. I've done off road touring through New Zealand before and loved the challenge and complete lack of traffic. However I know a 3000m day + off road is tough I just have a feeling this will be tougher so I will plan my days carefully if I go ahead with this in the summer.

Interesting what you say about the EV1 route as well, I had it recommended to me but I always wondered if that person was recommending it on the basis of it being flat : )

Anyway I will report back with the details of what I ended up doing!

Thanks,

Re: Weight distribution.

26 February 2015 - 10:26am
Firstly, as already mentioned, the amount of stuff you need to take is something to decide. But assuming you are camping, and that your bikes handle well with front panniers, there is a lot to be said for the extra carrying capacity those bags give you. A touring bike can be very stable with some weight either side of the front wheel. My missus once kept up with me at about 45mph on a descent in Switzerland with front and rear panniers!

Front panniers are normally lightly loaded with bulky items that don't weigh too much (eg sleeping bags). The rear panniers still take most of the weight. 75% seems about right to me. When camping I have found that I take on extra stuff mid afternoon at shops, stocking up for the meal I am preparing that evening. So very lightly laden front panniers can offer the free space to put your groceries for that final hour of cycling.

Have a good time.

Re: New Forest Tour

26 February 2015 - 9:45am
Des49 wrote:Deevoy88 wrote:Yes i do agree that two weeks is a long time for the new forest however this would be my first tour after being hit by a lorry two years ago. I have a artificial knee, 4 fused vertebrae in my back and also metal holding my right arm together from wrist to elbow. I am in no hurry trust me
I will be starting in Ashurst and "moving on" from there. If i do run out of miles then the I.O.W would be a option for me.

I have great respect for you. Best of luck and hope it all goes well.


If you get stuck at all; bad weather, repairs etc feel free to contact me. We live on the northern edge of the Forest. I too have been hit by a truck - far less physical damge but it's taken a long time to recover mentally. Drop me a PM and I'll happily pass on address and phone numbers.

On a happier note I'll start making a list of places you might like!

Re: Weight distribution.

26 February 2015 - 9:40am
This is a subject close to my heart. I look forward to the replies with interest. My configuration is bar bag and rear panniers and stuff on the rack. I hate the idea of front panniers although I have never tried them. All that weight on the back has caused me problems in the past. I like the idea of frame bags - must learn how to sew!

Al

Re: Weight distribution.

26 February 2015 - 9:34am
simonhill wrote:I will make 2 points.

I bet if your Missus starts with 2/3rds full, she will soon have full full!

Does she like riding with front panniers? Some do (balance etc) some happier without (me). Maybe this could be used as the deciding factor.


As do I, if I have large panniers they soon fill up with food. When I go to a supermarket I will buy the large bargain bags of apples and the three for a fiver beer offers etc. With limited luggage capacity I can not stock up quite like this.

Re: Weight distribution.

26 February 2015 - 9:24am
I have gone cycle-camping with both two and four panniers: with only two, the front wheel is inclined to 'float' and as soon as you try to push the cycle by holding the bars, the rear flops over! Using four panniers for the same load, none of them is fully packed and the balance of the bicycle is good. Initially the steering may seem strange but this soon becomes unnoticeable. One thing I soon discarded because of instability was the bar bag, which will turn the bars when you least expect it to! The front bags do not carry the same weight as the rear, and this will be determined by the geometry and construction of your cycle as to whether some shimmy is introduced.

Warmshowers "membership" charges.

26 February 2015 - 9:16am
I have just had the email that a few of you will be getting now about the new system for Warmshowers membership and its fees. It sort of suggests that you now have to pay to be a member, if anybody was about to quit because of this, you dont have to.

I have been hosting Warmshowers for a long time now but never actually stayed at any other hosts place.

There is a free option for hosts but that sort of defeats the original point of joining which is that it was a reciprocal agreement possibly one year I will do a tour and I would feel that I had contributed my share prior to taking back.

Any way it appears that you can do a trial free membership and that you can extend it indefinitely, though that option is not obvious.

I do understand that the admin and website which was previously provided by volunteers has got too big to handle on that basis and they now need to pay staff, If I actually go on my tour I may cough up a membership that year but for now I dont feel like paying in order to provide hosting nor do I feel like becoming a free "provider only" member.

They have rather sensibly left a loophole for people who feel as I do, that you can renew a free membership forever but if everybody does that they will not get the funding which they need.

Re: Weight distribution.

26 February 2015 - 9:04am
I will make 2 points.

I bet if your Missus starts with 2/3rds full, she will soon have full full!

Does she like riding with front panniers? Some do (balance etc) some happier without (me). Maybe this could be used as the deciding factor.

Re: New Forest Tour

26 February 2015 - 8:56am
Deevoy88 wrote:
Hi
Yes i do agree that two weeks is a long time for the new forest however this would be my first tour after being hit by a lorry two years ago. I have a artificial knee, 4 fused vertebrae in my back and also metal holding my right arm together from wrist to elbow. I am in no hurry trust me
I will be starting in Ashurst and "moving on" from there. If i do run out of miles then the I.O.W would be a option for me.

Well that explains it. I think I would be struggling with a 2 week tour of Canvey Island after that.

Good luck and congratulations for getting back on the bike.

PS I think the NF is a great place.

Re: Turkey april2015

26 February 2015 - 8:21am
I presume you mean Ankara.

Sites like this allow you to plan routes here, although their accuracy as to minor roads and tracks is questionable.

http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php

The scenery south east of Ankara isn't too inspiring, very arid, but there are plenty of villages, most of which have public drinking water suppies, as well as many taps set up by the side of the roads. Many villages have little else though, no shops or cafes.

The road from Golbası, (just S of Ankara) through Bala to Köprüköy and Kaman to Kırşehır is a nice cycle ride. From there you can follow the river to Avanos, which is on the edge of Kapadokya, although I've not cycled that far.

Re: Orange / Vaucluse / Luberon - ideas?

26 February 2015 - 8:13am
We did some cycling in this area in 2012 and very pleasant it was too. You might get some ideas from this journal : http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/Nice
The Gorge de Nesque was pleasant - very quiet compared to the touristy Gorge du Verdon. We weren't camping but no doubt you will find campsites if you plan ahead.

Re: Weight distribution.

26 February 2015 - 8:02am
I don't think I've ever heard of someone having heavier front panniers than rear, maybe it's the other way round? There was quite a lengthy discussion about the pros and cons of front panniers here: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=89652

Re: LLC and Wales Questions

26 February 2015 - 7:13am
Jeans are heavy, bulky and dry slowly, if they get wet. Thin poly cotton trousers (hiking pants?) are better all round. Or find nylon blend fabric ones and they don't crease much.

Weight distribution.

26 February 2015 - 1:38am
Hi Folks, Just giving a little thought to the 'fair' distribution of a joint load between me and Mrs Raider's bikes for some planned trips. We had been considering if we were each going to take front and rear panniers. There was some initial thought that the 'gentlemanly thing' to do was to pack my bike a wee bit heavier thus reducing the load for the Mrs and perhaps so far as to negate the need for her to use a front pannier set. Sounds reasonable, but having looked into it a little there seems to be a school of thought that there is merit in dividing whatever load is being carried between 4 panniers at all times with a 60% load on front, 40% on rear so as to provide better balance and handling characteristics during the ride.
It makes sense to me but Mrs Raider disagrees and reckons I'm trying to pull a sneaky move on her.
We are both pretty experienced riders but we are real novices when it comes to touring with fully loaded bikes.

We'd be delighted to hear what your thoughts / experiences are on this?

Cheers
Jim

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