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Re: Weight distribution.

26 February 2015 - 11:30am
jamesgilbert wrote:I don't think I've ever heard of someone having heavier front panniers than rear, maybe it's the other way round? There was quite a lengthy discussion about the pros and cons of front panniers here: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=89652

A long time ago in Ireland I bumped into a couple of French ladies on a long tour but hosteling/b&bs. They just had 2 large front panniers only and were very happy with this arrangement. I was camping and added small front panniers to my large rears, this also worked well for me until I lost one front pannier when I tore down a steep straight lane only to find that the surfacing ran out in the dip at the bottom, brought home how important it is have a well secured and balanced front load!

Re: East West C2C Spanish Pyrenees Tour.

26 February 2015 - 11:18am
Thanks both for the helpful replies!

sweatpee - in light of what you are saying here I might have a go at the unnamed route but then have some alternative surfaced road options planned out if the unpaved sections turn out to be too much to be enjoyable. I've done off road touring through New Zealand before and loved the challenge and complete lack of traffic. However I know a 3000m day + off road is tough I just have a feeling this will be tougher so I will plan my days carefully if I go ahead with this in the summer.

Interesting what you say about the EV1 route as well, I had it recommended to me but I always wondered if that person was recommending it on the basis of it being flat : )

Anyway I will report back with the details of what I ended up doing!

Thanks,

Re: Weight distribution.

26 February 2015 - 10:26am
Firstly, as already mentioned, the amount of stuff you need to take is something to decide. But assuming you are camping, and that your bikes handle well with front panniers, there is a lot to be said for the extra carrying capacity those bags give you. A touring bike can be very stable with some weight either side of the front wheel. My missus once kept up with me at about 45mph on a descent in Switzerland with front and rear panniers!

Front panniers are normally lightly loaded with bulky items that don't weigh too much (eg sleeping bags). The rear panniers still take most of the weight. 75% seems about right to me. When camping I have found that I take on extra stuff mid afternoon at shops, stocking up for the meal I am preparing that evening. So very lightly laden front panniers can offer the free space to put your groceries for that final hour of cycling.

Have a good time.

Re: New Forest Tour

26 February 2015 - 9:45am
Des49 wrote:Deevoy88 wrote:Yes i do agree that two weeks is a long time for the new forest however this would be my first tour after being hit by a lorry two years ago. I have a artificial knee, 4 fused vertebrae in my back and also metal holding my right arm together from wrist to elbow. I am in no hurry trust me
I will be starting in Ashurst and "moving on" from there. If i do run out of miles then the I.O.W would be a option for me.

I have great respect for you. Best of luck and hope it all goes well.


If you get stuck at all; bad weather, repairs etc feel free to contact me. We live on the northern edge of the Forest. I too have been hit by a truck - far less physical damge but it's taken a long time to recover mentally. Drop me a PM and I'll happily pass on address and phone numbers.

On a happier note I'll start making a list of places you might like!

Re: Weight distribution.

26 February 2015 - 9:40am
This is a subject close to my heart. I look forward to the replies with interest. My configuration is bar bag and rear panniers and stuff on the rack. I hate the idea of front panniers although I have never tried them. All that weight on the back has caused me problems in the past. I like the idea of frame bags - must learn how to sew!

Al

Re: Weight distribution.

26 February 2015 - 9:34am
simonhill wrote:I will make 2 points.

I bet if your Missus starts with 2/3rds full, she will soon have full full!

Does she like riding with front panniers? Some do (balance etc) some happier without (me). Maybe this could be used as the deciding factor.


As do I, if I have large panniers they soon fill up with food. When I go to a supermarket I will buy the large bargain bags of apples and the three for a fiver beer offers etc. With limited luggage capacity I can not stock up quite like this.

Re: Weight distribution.

26 February 2015 - 9:24am
I have gone cycle-camping with both two and four panniers: with only two, the front wheel is inclined to 'float' and as soon as you try to push the cycle by holding the bars, the rear flops over! Using four panniers for the same load, none of them is fully packed and the balance of the bicycle is good. Initially the steering may seem strange but this soon becomes unnoticeable. One thing I soon discarded because of instability was the bar bag, which will turn the bars when you least expect it to! The front bags do not carry the same weight as the rear, and this will be determined by the geometry and construction of your cycle as to whether some shimmy is introduced.

Warmshowers "membership" charges.

26 February 2015 - 9:16am
I have just had the email that a few of you will be getting now about the new system for Warmshowers membership and its fees. It sort of suggests that you now have to pay to be a member, if anybody was about to quit because of this, you dont have to.

I have been hosting Warmshowers for a long time now but never actually stayed at any other hosts place.

There is a free option for hosts but that sort of defeats the original point of joining which is that it was a reciprocal agreement possibly one year I will do a tour and I would feel that I had contributed my share prior to taking back.

Any way it appears that you can do a trial free membership and that you can extend it indefinitely, though that option is not obvious.

I do understand that the admin and website which was previously provided by volunteers has got too big to handle on that basis and they now need to pay staff, If I actually go on my tour I may cough up a membership that year but for now I dont feel like paying in order to provide hosting nor do I feel like becoming a free "provider only" member.

They have rather sensibly left a loophole for people who feel as I do, that you can renew a free membership forever but if everybody does that they will not get the funding which they need.

Re: Weight distribution.

26 February 2015 - 9:04am
I will make 2 points.

I bet if your Missus starts with 2/3rds full, she will soon have full full!

Does she like riding with front panniers? Some do (balance etc) some happier without (me). Maybe this could be used as the deciding factor.

Re: New Forest Tour

26 February 2015 - 8:56am
Deevoy88 wrote:
Hi
Yes i do agree that two weeks is a long time for the new forest however this would be my first tour after being hit by a lorry two years ago. I have a artificial knee, 4 fused vertebrae in my back and also metal holding my right arm together from wrist to elbow. I am in no hurry trust me
I will be starting in Ashurst and "moving on" from there. If i do run out of miles then the I.O.W would be a option for me.

Well that explains it. I think I would be struggling with a 2 week tour of Canvey Island after that.

Good luck and congratulations for getting back on the bike.

PS I think the NF is a great place.

Re: Turkey april2015

26 February 2015 - 8:21am
I presume you mean Ankara.

Sites like this allow you to plan routes here, although their accuracy as to minor roads and tracks is questionable.

http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php

The scenery south east of Ankara isn't too inspiring, very arid, but there are plenty of villages, most of which have public drinking water suppies, as well as many taps set up by the side of the roads. Many villages have little else though, no shops or cafes.

The road from Golbası, (just S of Ankara) through Bala to Köprüköy and Kaman to Kırşehır is a nice cycle ride. From there you can follow the river to Avanos, which is on the edge of Kapadokya, although I've not cycled that far.

Re: Orange / Vaucluse / Luberon - ideas?

26 February 2015 - 8:13am
We did some cycling in this area in 2012 and very pleasant it was too. You might get some ideas from this journal : http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/Nice
The Gorge de Nesque was pleasant - very quiet compared to the touristy Gorge du Verdon. We weren't camping but no doubt you will find campsites if you plan ahead.

Re: Weight distribution.

26 February 2015 - 8:02am
I don't think I've ever heard of someone having heavier front panniers than rear, maybe it's the other way round? There was quite a lengthy discussion about the pros and cons of front panniers here: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=89652

Re: LLC and Wales Questions

26 February 2015 - 7:13am
Jeans are heavy, bulky and dry slowly, if they get wet. Thin poly cotton trousers (hiking pants?) are better all round. Or find nylon blend fabric ones and they don't crease much.

Weight distribution.

26 February 2015 - 1:38am
Hi Folks, Just giving a little thought to the 'fair' distribution of a joint load between me and Mrs Raider's bikes for some planned trips. We had been considering if we were each going to take front and rear panniers. There was some initial thought that the 'gentlemanly thing' to do was to pack my bike a wee bit heavier thus reducing the load for the Mrs and perhaps so far as to negate the need for her to use a front pannier set. Sounds reasonable, but having looked into it a little there seems to be a school of thought that there is merit in dividing whatever load is being carried between 4 panniers at all times with a 60% load on front, 40% on rear so as to provide better balance and handling characteristics during the ride.
It makes sense to me but Mrs Raider disagrees and reckons I'm trying to pull a sneaky move on her.
We are both pretty experienced riders but we are real novices when it comes to touring with fully loaded bikes.

We'd be delighted to hear what your thoughts / experiences are on this?

Cheers
Jim

Re: Touring in Norway

25 February 2015 - 10:04pm
Also I thought i'd buy the maps i'll need soon (at least for the first bit anyway and maybe buy maps for the rest when i'm there) but i'm not really sure what maps i need and where to get them from. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Re: Touring in Norway

25 February 2015 - 10:03pm
Doormat wrote:Seeing as your 16 or you scared at all? like with camping in the wild etc.? I'm terrified but I'm forcing myself to do it. I think I'm scared of quitting more than anything though.
Anyway I wish you good luck in your travels
(first post)

Your trip sounds really good and I wish you the best of luck!
I think its just that i've done lots of this type of thing with my family anyway so its kind of how i've been brought up. I've done lots of wild camping before and its amazing how you can literally pretty much rely on finding somewhere to camp anywhere you go! Last year I cycled from Bilboa to north france with my family without having to pay for any accomodation! People think i'm crazy to want to do it on my own and none of my friends parents would ever let them do anything like this but that kind of makes me want to do it even more! I want to live life and go on adventures!
Definitely do it though! You'll be so glad you did it afterwards and you'll remember it the rest of your life. Some of my best memories of my life so far have been on cycle tours.

Re: Touring in Norway

25 February 2015 - 9:57pm
Thank you everyone for the replies.
I'll say what i'm thinking of so far. I'm going to go by plane rather than ferry because there are no direct ferries and it's much cheaper to go by plane anyway. I'm not sure which airport i'll arrive in in oslo because i haven't decided which airline yet but i'll want to go into oslo while i'm there so i'll probably get a train from the airport to the center so i don't think it really matters which airport i go to. I'll then get to Haugestol where i'll follow the Rallersvegen to Flam. I thought i'd then get the ferry to Gudvangen to avoid the banned tunnels on the e16 for that section. I'd then continue along the e16 using the old roads to avoid the tunnels. I'm then not really sure what to do next. I think i could either continue towards Bergen or skip it and start going north and then following the north coast of sogneford going east. Is Bergen worth going to?
I haven't really thought much about from then onwards towards trondheim but i don't want to plan my route too much otherwise it won't have the spontaneity I want.

Re: Orange / Vaucluse / Luberon - ideas?

25 February 2015 - 9:55pm
Was down that way 10+ years ago. Ventoux, yes, but also Col de Murs, Le Beaucet, Gordes. Watch out for the prices in Gordes: we sat down on a restaurant terrace towards lunchtime and they wanted 36€ for a salad.

And watch out for the insects:

Re: faroe islands anyone toured there, how did you get there

25 February 2015 - 9:21pm
I have just found out that Eimskip also has a cargo ship sailing from Scrabster to the Faroes. Those ships used to take a couple of passengers so it would be worthwhile to ask.

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