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Re: Default tourer?

22 December 2014 - 9:41am
VO Disc,the rear seatstay yolk and front fork crown look a bit PlanetX ie; industrial to my eye

Re: Default tourer?

22 December 2014 - 9:36am
RonK
According to Vivente's site their WT isn't better specced than the LHT,I'd say their about the same,but it does come 'fully loaded'(quality dynamo lighting,Tubus racks and m/guards) and seems like a nice bike.
Their site tells me I can have one shipped to me in the UK for £1820(no shipping cost).
That's not a bargain,I could buy a DT @ £1100 from here:- http://www.ukbikestore.co.uk/product/34 ... -bike.html and 'load' it myself to the same spec or better ie; dynamo,racks and m/guards etc,for an extra £400.

Re: Default tourer?

22 December 2014 - 8:58am
PH wrote:Without too much research these would be on the shortlist, I'm not looking for another bike...
Hewitt Cheviot (My current steel tourer and I have no intention of changing it)
VO Campeur
SOMA Saga
Ridgeback Panorama
Spa Tourer
Some of the Jamis bikes sold by Evans
Genesis Tour de Fer
And lastly, the Surly Crosscheck, I know a couple of people who tour on them and rate them.

Have you seen the pics of the new Disc VO?


http://velo-orange.blogspot.co.uk/2014/ ... llany.html

Those dropouts suggest same factory as the Saga Disc to me.

http://www.somafab.com/archives/product ... -frame-set

If wanting to consider CX type frames in this list (as per Cross Check, being kinda pseudo CX themed), then the Soma Double/Triple Cross would be nice.

With regards to the Cross Check though, and in extension other CX themed bikes, I'd hazard a suggestion that they're less widespread due to them being a bit more focussed- the geo being less expedition oriented. Apart from anything else, the chainstays are shorter- as I've previously mentioned somewhere around here, am struggling with mudguards for the Straggler, which is essentially a disc Cross Check, which doesn't bode well for a prolonged tour, surely? OK, that is hobbit size frame, and larger sizes don't suffer so, but still, with bigger frames come bigger feet, and things could get interferingish down there perhaps.

Re: Default tourer?

22 December 2014 - 8:45am
RonK wrote:Ah, so some of you have discovered I have a Sabbath Silk Route.

Your response presupposes I had a preference for Ti. In fact I had never ridden a Ti bike and I knew nothing about Ti other than what I could read on the internet. And since there are precious few other tourer offerings locally other than the Vivente World Randonneur, the best option was to buy a frame and build my own. I took a risk on the Sabbath frame which was at the time new on the market but affordable. The punt payed off in spades, and I'll be departing with it for a third tour in March.

To conclude I have a preference for Ti is not correct. I have a preference for bikes that satisfy my requirements.
So what makes the Sabbath a good bike?
And what makes the LHT a slug?

So far as the LHT is concerned, it's a frame made in Asia from 4130 tubing and assembled with reasonable but inexpensive components. How can it possibly be better that any other similar constructed bike. The answer is quite simply that it can't be and it isn't
I agree about the frameset there are a few similar as I posted up thread.But comparing it to the Sabbath what are the differences in the two framesets?

The local product I mentioned earlier (the VWR) is a similarly constructed bike, made in Asia from the same 4130 tubing, same geometry and design even down to the spare spoke holders, and at a guess made in the same factory, but it has a superior component and feature list which includes a disc brakes, dynamo hub and lighting, mudguards and Tubus rack. At around the same price it beats the LHT hands down for value, and is selling strongly here. I recommended one for my brother, he's very happy with it.
That sounds like a bargain,I'll look them up.

Re: Default tourer?

22 December 2014 - 7:03am
PH wrote:reohn2 wrote:So far we've one person complaining it's a 'slug' but until we know what he's it's comparing it to we don't know how valid that complaint is,everyone else seems to be happy with theirs,which seems to back up the fact that it's a very good tourer.

The answer is in his blog, very nice bikes they are too.
I fond the LHT to be, well not a slug, but certainly very steady (Yes...subjective) for the riding I was using it for I liked that. The Hewitt by comparison (Even more subjective) feels quite sprightly. The hard facts from the computer showed I was just as slow on either
Would you reckon that the Hewitt would be the equal of the LHT for expedition touring?

Default tourer?

22 December 2014 - 2:16am
reohn2 wrote:PH wrote:http://wheelswhisper.blogspot.co.uk/2010/10/sabbath-silk-route-project.html

As I posted before he prefers Ti.
What's new?
Ah, so some of you have discovered I have a Sabbath Silk Route.

Your response presupposes I had a preference for Ti. In fact I had never ridden a Ti bike and I knew nothing about Ti other than what I could read on the internet. And since there are precious few other tourer offerings locally other than the Vivente World Randonneur, the best option was to buy a frame and build my own. I took a risk on the Sabbath frame which was at the time new on the market but affordable. The punt payed off in spades, and I'll be departing with it for a third tour in March.

To conclude I have a preference for Ti is not correct. I have a preference for bikes that satisfy my requirements. As such, my second venture into Ti bikes was not a success. I don't like the Van Nicholas Pioneer much at all. The Rohloff is noisy, overrated and overpriced. You can read my thoughts about that on my blog too. It's been a failed experiment into flat bars and internally geared hubs. It also will likely be replaced.

So far as the LHT is concerned, it's a frame made in Asia from 4130 tubing and assembled with reasonable but inexpensive components. How can it possibly be better that any other similar constructed bike. The answer is quite simply that it can't be and it isn't

The local product I mentioned earlier (the VWR) is a similarly constructed bike, made in Asia from the same 4130 tubing, same geometry and design even down to the spare spoke holders, and at a guess made in the same factory, but it has a superior component and feature list which includes a disc brakes, dynamo hub and lighting, mudguards and Tubus rack. At around the same price it beats the LHT hands down for value, and is selling strongly here. I recommended one for my brother, he's very happy with it.

Re: Touring wheels

22 December 2014 - 12:34am
molzor wrote:no never broken a spoke, but i dont really fancy it happening! i was using 28mm tyres before but apparently theres room for 32s with no mud guards. i guess this would be fine in the warmer months. do you think this would be a worthwhile swap?

its not just broken spokes - also cracking rims. i only noticed the cracks in my rear mavic x138 by accident - no broken spokes, some sun caught on the rim as i was sat on some grass. so need a good solid rim at the rear atleast

Re: Default tourer?

21 December 2014 - 10:47pm
PH wrote:http://wheelswhisper.blogspot.co.uk/2010/10/sabbath-silk-route-project.html

As I posted before he prefers Ti.
What's new?

Re: Touring wheels

21 December 2014 - 10:25pm
Drifter wrote:I know exactly where the OP's coming from. I've got 36 spoke wheels but they're not great quality, although they've never gave me any reason to worry, I'd rather get a better wheel set now than get caught out on tour. I was thinking xt hubs, mavic 719 rims and good quality spokes x 36.
A good choice for you but not the OP's narrow (in touring terms) tyres. Wide touring rims and narrowish tyres are a poor combination. If I were the OP and was buying a set of touring wheels I'd call up my shop of choice and ask their advice on rims suitable for the tyres I wanted to run. Back when I still rode 28mm tyres I did just that and ended up with wheels built with 36h Chrina rims (I think) from Spa Cycles. They were faultless, but sadly I discovered the joy of wider tyres so another trip to Harrogate was soon in order.

Re: Default tourer?

21 December 2014 - 10:00pm
reohn2 wrote:RonK wrote:reohn2 wrote:So following on from all this speculation,has anyone had an LHT or DT,thought they weren't good bikes and why?
Yes, I had an LHT which was replaced after one tour. Apart from the appalling finish which had rust appearing after only a few months, I found it a dull, unresponsive, unrewarding ride - a real slug.

What did you replace it with?

http://wheelswhisper.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... oject.html

Re: Touring wheels

21 December 2014 - 9:08pm
I know exactly where the OP's coming from. I've got 36 spoke wheels but they're not great quality, although they've never gave me any reason to worry, I'd rather get a better wheel set now than get caught out on tour. I was thinking xt hubs, mavic 719 rims and good quality spokes x 36.

Re: Default tourer?

21 December 2014 - 9:00pm
PH wrote:The answer is in his blog, very nice bikes they are too.
It ain't,just that he prefers Ti.
I fond the LHT to be, well not a slug, but certainly very steady (Yes...subjective) for the riding I was using it for I liked that. The Hewitt by comparison (Even more subjective) feels quite sprightly. The hard facts from the computer showed I was just as slow on either
Amazing innit,sometimes a bike that feels fast ain't when the numbers are totted up,I've had the same experience,which caused me to sell a bike almost 3kg lighter than my Vayas but nowhere near as comfy.

Re: Default tourer?

21 December 2014 - 8:17pm
reohn2 wrote:So far we've one person complaining it's a 'slug' but until we know what he's it's comparing it to we don't know how valid that complaint is,everyone else seems to be happy with theirs,which seems to back up the fact that it's a very good tourer.

The answer is in his blog, very nice bikes they are too.
I fond the LHT to be, well not a slug, but certainly very steady (Yes...subjective) for the riding I was using it for I liked that. The Hewitt by comparison (Even more subjective) feels quite sprightly. The hard facts from the computer showed I was just as slow on either

Re: Default tourer?

21 December 2014 - 7:23pm
PH wrote:
I didn't say it was a bad 'un.
I didn't say you did.
There's presently 3 bikes and 1 frame for sale on this forum, bikes described as "As new", "Nearly new" "used one tour", not a scientific sample, but I'd still suggest the proportion of people who are buying and not keeping is quite high compared to other bikes. In contrast, there's currently only 1 Galaxy for sale on the forum and that's a Ti version. I don't know the figures, but I'd be surprised if the LHT outsold the Galaxy, if for no other reason than the Dawes availability.
I can't disagree with that,but it's a snapshot in time,though one or two LHT's do come up on the forum sales board.


Without too much research these would be on the shortlist, I'm not looking for another bike...
Hewitt Cheviot (My current steel tourer and I have no intention of changing it)
VO Campeur
SOMA Saga
Ridgeback Panorama
Spa Tourer
Some of the Jamis bikes sold by Evans
Genesis Tour de Fer
And lastly, the Surly Crosscheck, I know a couple of people who tour on them and rate them.

And all quite similar framesets to the LHT other than the LHT has a horizontal TT,the geometry is similar on most.
What I'm trying to get at is why is the LHT so popular,maybe it isn't top dog in the UK but in the US or globally even it comes up near the top.
Someone posted up thread (you(?))that they may have been introduced at just the right time in the US and got a good name,and once established is hard to shift of it's perch,much as the Galaxy used to.
Though TBH the spec for the standard LHT is very good for the price point.

So far we've one person complaining it's a 'slug' but until we know what he's it's comparing it to we don't know how valid that complaint is,everyone else seems to be happy with theirs,which seems to back up the fact that it's a very good tourer.

Re: TOURING 2015

21 December 2014 - 6:43pm
Yeah thats right all the way down west france is routed with cycle paths. its really nice but they arent at all the quickest. it seems cycle paths are for winding around leisurely in france, not always the best if you have to get somewhere!

From bordeaux down to the border of spain was so flat you barely had to push, easy but can get a little boring. once you get to spain the whole landscape changes and the hills can be tough (i had completed the wrong gearing set up to be riding up hills with panniers) but with them you do get beauty, so its always worth it in the end

Re: Default tourer?

21 December 2014 - 5:44pm
simonhill wrote:I have been following this thread because I have an LHT. My comments are half way down page 2.

I find it all rather amusing with people doing all the comparisons. Unfortunately this is a luxury that many (most) of us can't do. I don't have a stock of bikes in my shed, so can't say how they compare to an LHT. I think the majority of people are in my situation. I chose this bike based on recommendations and now ride it. Maybe if I trawled the bike shops and got them to lend me different bikes for short tours I would find my bike is rubbish and would change it.

As far as I am concerned it seems OK to me. As I said I have toured on it a lot, I tour for about 5 months a year, then use the bike for local stuff.

If you're happy with it, you're happy with it, there isn't anything to take away from that. Equally if other people are not so happy with it why wouldn't they make comparisons with other bikes they'd owned or tried, I don't see what's amusing about that!
So much of it's subjective anyway, I had a Thorn Raven, a bike that has lots of happy owners and although the bike was comfy and never let me down in any way, I never really liked it. I'm interested to hear of others experience, but it is what it is and I have no expectation that mine will necessarily be the same.

Re: Default tourer?

21 December 2014 - 5:30pm
reohn2 wrote:Yes you do see a few for sale,and no doubt there's different reasons for that.But it doesn't mean the bike's a bad one.
There's a lot of people with touring stars in their eyes that are never reached for due to real life realisations.
There are a lot of Galaxy's up for sale too,and whilst the Gal' is an old 'un,you see quite a few newish ones for sale.

I didn't say it was a bad 'un. There's presently 3 bikes and 1 frame for sale on this forum, bikes described as "As new", "Nearly new" "used one tour", not a scientific sample, but I'd still suggest the proportion of people who are buying and not keeping is quite high compared to other bikes. In contrast, there's currently only 1 Galaxy for sale on the forum and that's a Ti version. I don't know the figures, but I'd be surprised if the LHT outsold the Galaxy, if for no other reason than the Dawes availability.
If I was in the market for a full on tourer, the LHT would definitely be on the short list, but it wouldn't be there on it's own, I can think of a few other bikes that equally deserve a place.
Care to name a few?

Without too much research these would be on the shortlist, I'm not looking for another bike...
Hewitt Cheviot (My current steel tourer and I have no intention of changing it)
VO Campeur
SOMA Saga
Ridgeback Panorama
Spa Tourer
Some of the Jamis bikes sold by Evans
Genesis Tour de Fer
And lastly, the Surly Crosscheck, I know a couple of people who tour on them and rate them.

Re: TOURING 2015

21 December 2014 - 4:56pm
Molzor, sounds like you followed the Velodyssey route to some extent, as I did. Didn't quite reach Spain but have cycled there before from Santander into the Picos and agree it's fairly hilly. Makes it more interesting though! I found the route along the Nante-Brest canal a bit boring at times, so it was good to deviate and look around a bit.

Re: Touring wheels

21 December 2014 - 3:29pm
no never broken a spoke, but i dont really fancy it happening! i was using 28mm tyres before but apparently theres room for 32s with no mud guards. i guess this would be fine in the warmer months. do you think this would be a worthwhile swap?

Re: Touring wheels

21 December 2014 - 2:04pm
Have you ever broken a spoke?

I have 32 spokes on my hybrid wheels, and they were 20 years old before I broke any spokes on them. At the time, I was often carrying a child on the back, as well as my weight, and sometimes the shopping.

What size tyres do you use & what size will your rims/bike take? You might gain more with wider tyres.

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