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Re: What constitutes light touring?

22 May 2015 - 12:16pm
This is interesting thread. If you were talking what lightweight backpacking means this is easily found because there has been a consensus formed courtesy of the American cottage industry and MYOG attitudes to long distance trekking. IIRC lightweight starts at about 9kg (because that is the nearest metric to a whole imperial weight 20lb). It is about the weight that you cease to really notice the load on your back and start to walk a bit more like someone with a light day pack. then the next weight is about 6.5kg I think. You can ultimately get down to sub 2kg loads (excluding food and water) to get into the ultimate of reduced weight backpacking. Basically the scale goes down from sub-20lb, 15lb, 10lb to 5lb or less for the lightest category. The Americans do like their precise categories though.

For cycling i have no idea. For me on my own I would consider 10kg as the goal for me. Backpacking I can get down to below 6kg and my base load (kit without fuel, water or food) is nearer 4kg). For cycle touring I think my load would go right up though because I have no real experience of it and that usually results in carrying excess kit. Also camping might actually not be too much heavier because if I am hostel or hotel touring I would be tempted to carry a lot more kit in the way of off bike clothes. I did that when I went hostel/bunkhouse backpacking with mates along the Hadrians wall once. My pack was about 20kg when I was normally camping at 9-10kg with 1 litre of water included in that.

Re: What constitutes light touring?

22 May 2015 - 11:49am
It's a bit like asking what speed constitutes cycling fast? Every person will have there own idea.

Every year I do a two week cycling/camping tour including cooking stuff. I don't know the weight but between two of us we carry a TOTAL of two rear and two front Ortleib panniers, two bar bags and a tent. We do this on 'touring' bikes which weight about 14 kg.

I also do a week long B and B/ hostel tour and we take one rear pannier each . We do this on 'road' bikes that weight 9 -10 kg with a rack. I personally call this light-weight.

I have seen someone touring through the Alps with a spare pair of shorts in a bottle cage and some stuff in a small saddle pack. We saw them a few times and in the evening the wore a pair of nylon football type shorts, the jersey they had worn all day and a race cape. I've also seen some Dutch tourers who were camping and they carried folding chairs (not little stools but full chairs) with them. Each to their own.

Re: What constitutes light touring?

22 May 2015 - 11:36am
For me "light touring" does not include camping gear, and keeps other clobber to the essentials. The sort of load you could get into one large pannier (or, better, two small panniers).

My wife (5ft4inch) used to tour on a Reynolds 753 framed road bike (51cm or thereabouts) with two large panniers and a bar bag. It sounds wrong, but it worked okay. She got through the Alps (including the Stelvio Pass and the Cime de la Bonnette) with that set-up. These days you might call that bike an audax bike, having as it did the ability to take guards and a three point pannier rack. And the cycle camping gear she carried was hardly light. So I think a small rider on a small frame can probably carry baggage that would badly affect the handling of a large frame. Perhaps it would be best to make sure the wheels are fairly strong, though.

Re: What constitutes light touring?

22 May 2015 - 11:20am
YHA touring or similar where u just need to take change of clothes and toothbrush & lots of money

Re: What constitutes light touring?

22 May 2015 - 11:08am
Personally always defined light touring to mean credit card touring or B&B touring rather than carrying the full camping caboodle. So rather than light being a statement of the weight it indicates less equipment being carried.

So camping kit etc. is full touring, B&Bing is a full touring light. (or lite if you really want to...)

That's just my view though.

Re: Nigg/Cromarty ferry

22 May 2015 - 11:06am
http://www.cromarty-ferry.co.uk/ wrote:
We regret to advise that the Cromarty Ferry Company is unable to operate the Cromarty to Nigg ferry service this season.
We have recently been advised that the ferry berth in Cromarty harbour has been condemned and is now closed.

As there is no other suitable berth in the harbour, or in the rest of the firth, we very much regret that we are unable to continue operating.

Thank you all for your help and support over the years.

Tom Henderson

Re: What constitutes light touring?

22 May 2015 - 11:04am
Light touring means whatever you want it to mean, and luggage habits vary. Some people do cycle-camping with less luggage than others manage for B&B touring. Google Igor Kovse for some great travelogues of extreme light touring. A friend of mine once went cycle camping in the Alps with sufficiently little luggage she held on to the peloton of an amateur race she met while they ascended a pass.

It does seem logical that the increased stiffness of a very small frame should enable you to carry larger loads than larger frames with that tubing gauge would usually permit. Ultimately its up to you to find out what works. I realised I was overloading my light tourer when my chain rubbed against my derailleur cage intermittently when cycling up hills, because of the flexing of the rear frame triangle.

best iphone satnav for spain

22 May 2015 - 10:37am
Off on another spanish trip but want to dispense with map. Is there an free app that i could download routes and navigate my way easily with the iPhone either using earphones in my back pocket or simply mounted on handlebars?

Re: What constitutes light touring?

22 May 2015 - 10:32am
Define tourer and audax bikes. It is a real problem.

I've been cycle touring 50 years and I use normal clubman's club run type bikes. Probably what are Audax bikes these days but with 28mm tyres. A tourer these days can mean anything including the clubman's hack right up to a something suitable for crossing deserts - not that it ever stopped Ian Hibell.

Lightweight touring to me is hostel/B&B/Hotel touring where I can get all I need for a month in a large saddlebag quite easily, probably weighing 15lbs. When camping my load is about 30lbs - this too is done on club riding machines. This includes tools, waterproofs etc.

A smaller frame will help you use an audax style machine because you do not need the thicker walled tubing of a very tall or large person. So you would not need a 531ST frame but would be fine with 531C - talking old tubing types here. My ex was 4' 11" and certainly had no issues with a 531C frame.

Re: What constitutes light touring?

22 May 2015 - 10:26am
My luggage for light camping touring is 9Kg .

So around 10Kg to give a ball park figure. It is nearer 5Kg if not camping.

Though I would not feel the need for a tourer until around 20Kg.

Re: Nigg/Cromarty ferry

22 May 2015 - 10:20am
This came from Radio Highland and only said the operator had not produced a suitable tender. They were trying to find another operator but a bit late for this season. Highland Council already run Corran ferry which causes them a lot of grief so they would not be keen to take on this. Bikes and passengers are free but a car is now over £8.00 I think and locals complain that it as very expensive. Since my OH has a Blue Badge we travel free anyway.

What constitutes light touring?

22 May 2015 - 10:19am
What weight of cycle touring kit means I should buy a tourer rather than an audax bike?
Should my own weight be taken into account?
Also does being "vertically challenged" and having a smaller, less flexy frame make a difference?

Re: Short cycle tour to get my reluctant partner into cyclin

22 May 2015 - 9:52am
My wife was a reluctant touring biker.I love it.if we b And b I just about get away with it.I carry the camping gear which is rarely used.and her gear.(love ).we have now cycled Holland.Eire.Hebrides.uists Skye etc.Danube from passau to Vienna.to be honest she is still reluctant.and I'm knackered! Not sure what the motto is from that!

Re: route finding in France- maps or new tech

21 May 2015 - 9:22pm
Beware, though, of the well-documented issues concerning usb charging from dynamos, for certain smart phones, notably iPhones...

Really? how come? do you have a link?

Electricity is electricity doesn't really matter how its produced just how its converted in to a useable supply, so if you have a good usb device i can't really see a problem…I'm no expert however!

The only thing I can think of is that on a usb port the iPhone needs to detect power at the communication pins via the charging lead on the usb or it won't charge..thats why cheap car chargers don't always work with iPhones, so I would imagine the same with usb dynamo chargers.

Re: Short cycle tour to get my reluctant partner into cyclin

21 May 2015 - 9:06pm
syklist wrote:Occasionally, when I read a post like this, I wonder if our plan to cycle from Gol to Trondheim (and then some more) this summer, toddler in tow in a trailer, is a tadge ambitious. So I go through the proposed route in my head once again and wonder, briefly, if gravel tracks, 800m climbs and 50km days really are that much worse with a trailer behind your bike than on a solo bike.

It is probably best to not think about it until we get there
Think instead on all the families who will do long road trips with a toddler sat in a car seat for hours every day. And be grateful for fresh air and mountain roads, and your ability to pull the trailer up there.

Your son will have a much better experience than the ones stuck in cars to drive halfway across Europe for their summer holidays

Re: Short cycle tour to get my reluctant partner into cyclin

21 May 2015 - 8:45pm
elioelio although I can't offer any route advice I can offer you all my respect for being so thoughtful towards your partner. I hope you have a wonderful time...b

Re: Brittany - Voies Vertes

21 May 2015 - 8:11pm
Agreed, but they can be great for the less confident rider. My wife loved the route from Roscoff to Redon, avoiding all busy roads.

Re: Edinburgh airport

21 May 2015 - 5:27pm
for your return journey... there's no train station within cycling distance, you'd be better off just cycling into Edinburgh centre (flat and straight, along Corstorphine Rd and through Haymarket).

EDIT: I was wrong, no bikes on trams...


Not allowed: "bicycles except if specifically permitted by way of notices along with publication of the applicable conditions on the Company’s website. Folding bicycles which are folded and fully enclosed in a suitable carrying bag will be carried providing there is space available on the tram to do so."


Re: Edinburgh airport

21 May 2015 - 4:45pm
irc wrote:Can't help with your question but have I read it wrong? Your wife is driving from Aberdeen to Edinburgh to take your panniers home??


Now you have (kindly) pointed it out I'll have a rethink.
Sounds crazy I know.

Because of time restraints etc. I have to box the bike at home, hirer a van, drive down from Aberdeen to Edinburgh with my wife and panniers ( mustn't forget the panniers).
Be dropped off at the airport - and my wife drive the van back to Aberdeen ( without me, the bike or my panniers)
I guess we thought it would be best to do a reverse process - but avoid the hassle and cost of the van - since the bike can be unboxed on arrival at Edinburgh.

Many thanks for stirring the grey matter.


Re: Edinburgh airport

21 May 2015 - 4:15pm
Can't help with your question but have I read it wrong? Your wife is driving from Aberdeen to Edinburgh to take your panniers home??


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