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Re: Swiss: Short steep descent or not

20 June 2014 - 2:22pm
That’s quite a major road, and Swiss roads tend to be very well-engineered. There may be the odd bit at 9%, but most of it will likely be more like 5-6%. I don’t think you’ll have any problem at all.

Re: Interail pass

20 June 2014 - 2:05pm
You must have been a resident in a participating European country for 6 months to travel on an InterRail pass
That could (probably?) mean you have to have been resident in one of the countries listed (which doesn't include the UK).


Interail pass

20 June 2014 - 1:58pm
Hi - Saw this add and thought of maybe getting a 10 day pass and a cheap folder to do say 30 mile rides in between train journeys , just around the city

http://uk.voyages-sncf.com/en/pass/inte ... lobal-pass

Anybody done this or any experience advice from recent years only

Re: Swiss: Short steep descent or not

20 June 2014 - 12:49pm
Having no experience in the mountains I can imagine it looks dangerous.
But I checked the route and the max. decend is some 9%.
Just do it. Keep your speeds low. Try how fast your brakes work and increase your speed a bit.
(If you dare )

Just do it. It's great fun to decend.

Re: Swiss: Short steep descent or not

20 June 2014 - 12:43pm
Not been there, but looking at the map, the road doesn't go straight down to the valley floor but decends in a series of zigzags, so shouldn't be too steep.

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Hohten ... d&t=m&z=15

Swiss: Short steep descent or not

20 June 2014 - 12:28pm

I am going to Switzerland for a 7-day YHA tour in late July. Mostly this will be fairly flat - eg round Lake Geneva.

In order to fit in with other arrangements, I need to start my ride by coming through the Christehorn mountain on the railway from Kandersteg. I will then be heading west along the River Rhone.

I'm not an experienced cycle tourist, and I'm a little worried that the first thing I'll have to do, on the first day of my tour, is to descend 400m from Hohtenn station to the cycle path by the River Rhone. See http://goo.gl/maps/REokv

An alternative would be to get the train to Brig, which would add 20 flat kilometres to my journey. I have time for this, but it's the wrong direction

What do people think? Am I being a wimp?


This is the view from the station to the valley floor

Re: Touring Destination Trivia

20 June 2014 - 11:24am
foxyrider wrote:Had mid 30's in late August and low 20's in October so don't see why not!
The record September high in Stockholm is 28C, and in Helsinki is 26C, so maybe OP could consider Sweden and Finland too, as they are fairly flat, have lots of interesting coast and islands, and on rare occasion the temperature exceeds 25C in September.

The average max in Hamburg is 18C in September, which is 2 degrees cooler than London. If you think that OP will be content with going somewhere colder than home, then you read his requirements very differently from me.

Re: Anyone recommend any good books?

20 June 2014 - 11:06am
Part 1 (the European Leg) of my book "Every Inch of the Way" is currently available on Amazon for free http://www.amazon.co.uk/Every-Inch-Bike-Around-World-ebook/dp/B00CLUGALK/ref=tmm_kin_title_0


Re: Touring Destination Trivia

19 June 2014 - 4:15pm
+1 for Puglia - it's cheap (was paying 4euro for a litre of good red with our meals), food is great, and flat if you choose, but there's some hills to seek out.

Re: New Route Planner

19 June 2014 - 3:46pm
Just looked at the OSM-wiki (Should have done it first )


Description: ...They may also have some space for tents. If a site is primarily for tents, it should be tagged as tourism=camp_site


Description: A campsite or campground is an area, usually divided into a number of pitches, where people can camp overnight using tents or camper vans or caravans.

It seems to be a difference in tagging.

This a photo of a campsite. (see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site)

A lot of this sites are tagged in the UK as caravan site.

Re: Cycling Santander to Granada via the Portuguese Coast.

19 June 2014 - 3:30pm
Hi I have been pondering a similar route to yours myself, My dad is from Ortiguiera which is a small coastal town you would likely pass through on such a route, I have visited the galician region many times and can tell you it is quite hilly and covered in eucalyptus forest however it is very beautiful with many interesting sites and features, If I were to get round to doing this route I would be inclined to venture a bit further inland, there is a national park area called the Fragas do Eume which i have briefly visited but is very picturesque and certainly worth exploring more, also the city of Coruna has sights such as the Torre de Hercules and several interesting museums. I would love to here of you experiences when you have completed your tour,
Tony L

Re: New Route Planner

19 June 2014 - 3:19pm

Somewhere you wrote that there are also campsites on the map. But a lot are missing.

I looked at the map of my own surroundings in The Netherlands. And there are a lot of campsites.

The difference is the tagging in OSM.
"Campsite" is renderderd in your map, but "Caravan Site" is not.

And I know a lot of 'caravan parks' are accepting tents.

I think there is some work to do for the English OSM-community.

In the next 4 weeks I will start the work.
Newcastle-Shetlands and back.

Re: Touring Destination Trivia

19 June 2014 - 1:41pm
Had mid 30's in late August and low 20's in October so don't see why not!

Re: CTC Insurance

19 June 2014 - 12:06pm
pal wrote:Co-op contents insurance (and I think some others -- perhaps M&S?) has a limit of up to £1000 per bike, and covers them for up to 60 days overseas. There are some restrictions on how long you can leave a bike locked up in a public place (from memory: 12 hours generally; 24 hours at train stations), but generally the rules are fairly reasonable. The downside is that the insurance itself isn't cheap (though cheaper than the specialist stand-alone bike insurance packages, in my experience).
That's basically right, but to be clear because I've got it handy: it's part of the "Unspecified Personal Possessions" of the co-op home insurance, rather than the contents part. Depending on what other personal possessions you want to include on your policy (and most people have some I think), the co-op often isn't a bad price AFAICT and the marginal cost of also adding cycles is much smaller. I couldn't find anything about 12/24hour limits in the co-op one but I've heard that before and this is clearly a home policy, so if it the bike's arguably normally kept at a station or something like that (rather than parked there as part of a journey), I'd expect problems trying to claim.

I've been through my paper copy of the co-operative insurance current policy and the booklet of changes and as far as I can tell, this is the full wording as it applies to cycles:
  • What is insured ... We will not pay in respect of any one event more than the Total Sum Insured on Unspecified Personal Possessions shown in the Policy Details, less the Excess specified in the Claims Settlement Provisions of this Section, subject to the following monetary limits ... £1,000 for any one pedal cycle.
  • What is not insured ... Mechanical, electrical, electronic or computer failure or breakdown ... depreciation, wear and tear [and so on] ... Loss or damage from use for professional, trade or business purposes. ... Loss of or damage to any pedal cycle or its accessories while used for racing. Loss of any pedal cycle left in a public place unless it is locked to a fixed point. Theft of pedal cycle [&c] accessories unless the pedal cycle [&c] is stolen at the same time. Damage to tyres or inner tubes of pedal cycles or wheelchairs by punctures, cuts or bursts.
  • Foreign Use ... up to 60 days in any one Period of Insurance.
  • Claims Settlement Provisions ... cost of repair or of replacement as new if an article is totally lost or destroyed ... An Excess of £50.

Oh and there is no police database of non-stolen bikes at the moment. There are private companies building what look to me like spamming databases by taking in bike and owner details, with much of the advertising and collection cost dumped on the police (and thereby on us, the taxpayers). The police don't make the Data Protection implications clear to people whose bikes they register IMO. The company promoted by Norfolk police says "We will use the information collected ... send you newsletters and details of our products and services, offers and promotions in which we believe you will be interested; understand the interests and buying behaviour of our registered users; enable third parties to carry out technical, logistical or other functions on our behalf." Privacy policy loopholes so big that spammers drive trucks through.

Keep your details yourself and if the bike is nicked, it'll go on the police database along with the other details of the crime.

If any insurer is telling you to register a non-stolen bike on a police database, that's impossible and seems like an Unfair Term to me, so wouldn't be enforceable. I'd probably ask trading standards to take a look but probably I'm grumpy and they wouldn't look anyway

Re: Touring Destination Trivia

19 June 2014 - 11:20am
foxyrider wrote:German Ostseekuste

+25°C in September?

Re: Touring Destination Trivia

19 June 2014 - 11:03am
German Ostseekuste - fly in and out of Hamburg, plenty of accomodation and stuff to see, can be busyish but not excessively so! If its an island you want head over to Rugen - you can get the train or you could use that as the coast ride destination.

Re: To tent or not to tent that is the question

19 June 2014 - 10:57am
Most of the route guides and maps (Michelin/Bikeline etc) will show you the campsites, have a look at the ACSI Eurocamping and/or ADFC websites - town tourist sites usually tell you about all the local accomodation including campsites.

There are stretchers of the Rhein where they are more sparse - at Basel for example the campsite is 4km from the river but i wouldn't say that was too far off course!

Re: To tent or not to tent that is the question

19 June 2014 - 10:36am
Aye, you can't move for the buggers along the Rhine.

And I've wild camped in Germany without ever having a problem. Unless the farmer giving you pumpkins and tourist information counts as a problem.

Re: To tent or not to tent that is the question

19 June 2014 - 10:25am
I wouldn't have thought there's anywhere in the world that has a higher concentration of campsites than Europe. I don't understand why you're not sure about the availability of campsites?

To tent or not to tent that is the question

19 June 2014 - 9:59am
Hi all

Looking for some advice on Europe touring. I'm flying to Zurich to start my tour along the Rhine in July. I am however debating taking a tent. I could use warmshowers and hostels but do prefer being under canvas. I'm just not sure as to the availability of camping sites. My understanding is that stealth camping is frowned upon in most of Europe and if I'm not likely to use the tent I don't see the point in taking the extra kilos.

Appreciate your thoughts


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