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Re: Touring Japan from Tokyo to Fukuoka in October

25 November 2015 - 8:30pm
This looks amazing, would love to do this, how far is it?

Re: Touring Japan from Tokyo to Fukuoka in October

25 November 2015 - 7:22pm
Nice video - thanks.

Re: Touring luxuries

25 November 2015 - 4:07pm
Arabic and Swahili phrasebooks, youll need them as soon as youre off the ferry in france, cant be too careful with all these funny people around, it wasnt like that in my day

Touring Tyre Test (Posted on Tech Branch)

25 November 2015 - 2:31pm
I'm on tour at the moment and don't tend to browse too much. Luckily I spotted this on the technical branch.

Some of you might be interested if you haven't already seen it.


My brain aches after reading it all. Coming up for 2500kms on my 26x1.5 M greenguards, fitted for the tour. Still not sure what I think about them so have held off posting till the fog clears.

Re: Touring luxuries

25 November 2015 - 2:16pm
I think we're redefining luxury here ...

But that's a good thing IMV.

Re: Touring luxuries

25 November 2015 - 1:02pm
We like to take a small game or two - Yahtzee is good as it only requires 5 dice, but some other small games pack pretty small - we like San Juan, Mapominoes, and have taken Carcassonne too. A bit more sociable than a book when you're touring as a family.

Tour for the spring

25 November 2015 - 12:17pm
It's now looking almost certain that I will be made redundant in the new year, so myself and MrsS are looking at taking the opportunity for a tour longer than can be done in a normal holiday.

We are thinking of starting in April, from Roscoff, following La Velodyssee as far as Lacanau, cutting cross to Bordeaux to join the Canal des duex mers, following the Gironde and Canal du Midi to Sete on the Mediterranean coast (I know some parts of this may not be rideable - taking road alternatives is no problem). From there, roughly follow the route of the partially completed Via Rhona to Geneva, followed by the Swiss Rhone Route to Andermatt. That connects with the EV15 Rhine route that leads all the way back to Hook of Holland and home.

As far as I can ascertain this is something over 4000km and would occupy us for a couple of months or so (MrsS is not keen on high daily mileages). We would be camping - aside from the first bit through Brittany where many sites will be closed there should be no problems.

So - a few questions - any comments on the proposed route generally? Anyone done anything similar?
The Switzerland bit - anyone toured there recently? How expensive will it be? (We will have nearly 800km there)
What are the German and Dutch parts of the Rhine like? Plenty of campsites?
Any other advice or suggestions?


Re: Rain Jacket

25 November 2015 - 11:37am
Over the years, I have used any number of jackets for touring. I loved my Greenspot Nomad which was state of the art in the seventies and there have been some others that were really good. But, there's no doubt that today's jackets are very much better than what we had before. Recently, I started using a Showers Pass Refuge jacket and it's been first class - by far the best I have ever used. It combines 3-layer Elite material with exceptional venting which results in a very high standard of breathability, waterproofness and venting. Another plus for me is that it is not designed for a tight 'race fit' so it's much more comfortable when on the bike for a long period.



Re: Touring luxuries

25 November 2015 - 11:24am
andrew_s wrote:horizon wrote:By definition though, if it's a luxury it doesn't get taken
Not at all.
Any "nice to have" item that you know isn't essential and that you could do without if necessary is a luxury.
I'd argue that Chat Noir's smartphone falls into that category, though I don't suppose he'd agree, especially if he's one of the 50% of the population that suffer from Nomophobia.

I'll concede on this - I still can't get my head round it though . It may of course be that something like cycle touring (mainy camping but even staying in a hotel after a long ride) accentuates all of life's experiences: what is normal and taken for granted suddenly becomes an utmost luxury. Maybe poorer people have these experiences all the time. But maybe also the searching for luxuries in today's world is a pointless exercise - first of all you have to go without and then you realise that even a simple thing can be a luxury.

Re: Route planning app?

25 November 2015 - 9:56am
MrsHJ wrote:On route planning I have some routes already generated but what does everyone download the Gpx Files it produces too. I have an iPhone and iPad that aren't interested in Gpx or is it GPs downloads. The laptop can see them and download them to save but can't open them.

How do I get the route from saved on my lap top to open in something like my iPhone on a suitable app (and which apps do you use?).
On your laptop depends what applications you have installed that will open .gpx files. On my Mac I tend to use GoogleEarth (hate it but can't find anything better yet). I would assume GoogleEarth on windows would have similar functionality.

As to getting it onto your iPhone, it depends on what app you use as different apps support different methods (normally several different methods). On my iPhone I use MapOut http://mapoutapp.com/en/ (payed for but pretty cheap). And it is excellent. You download OpenStreet Map mapping for offline use (and it uses vector mapping so has massive resolution and much lower storage that the other tile based apps). It includes cycle paths layers and is very good at showing altitude plots. To get your .gpx laptop to iPhone using MapOut on iPhone, easiest way is to free register with MapOut choosing a name and then you e-mail your .gpx to <chosen_name>@mapout.me and it will appear on your iPhone in the mapping app (showing as a route line over the map). Or you can send the .gpx using AirDrop or DropBox or iCloud Drive, etc. (though not OneDrive - Microsoft!).


Re: Riding with or without technology

25 November 2015 - 9:53am
I agree about a compass.
I have one on a pinger and is has helped in small towns in Holland and Belgium.
Using a paper map I know whether to exit the town N,S,E or W.
I also write a route plan and have it visible on the bar bag.

Re: Route planning app?

25 November 2015 - 9:24am
MrsHJ wrote:.....How do I get the route from saved on my lap top to open in something like my iPhone on a suitable app (and which apps do you use?).

I'm not an iPad/iPhone user so I can't help you on specifics, but in general terms you could email the gpx file on your laptop to yourself and then download it from your iPhone email app couldn't you?

Is Bluetooth file transfer possible between the iPad/iPhone?

Re: advice wanted re:Danube - Passau to Vienna/wild camping

25 November 2015 - 9:18am
I'm wondering if the flow of migrants in and through the EU will make the authorities even more sensitive to wild campers?

I've just started a thread on this topic here - it will be interesting to see what others think.

Re: Touring luxuries

25 November 2015 - 8:03am
Our favourite 'luxuiries are the SAWYER MINI WATER FILTER and a very small Vango Stove

1) “A lifetime of water at hand.”


'Our most popular filter just got smaller and lighter. The Sawyer MINI Water Filter is rated to 0.1 micron absolute, weighs only 2 ounces, and filters up to 100,000 gallons! This award winning system is reliable and easy to use.

The MINI can be attached to the included collapsible drinking pouch, inline on a hydration pack, on a standard soda bottle, or simply use the included drinking straw to drink directly from the water source. How is that for versatility?

http://sawyereurope.com/water-filtratio ... ter-filter

We have drunk from Lochs, Rivers, Puddles, you name it we have drunk from it using this and were still alive...

2) A very small vango stove fits in the palm of my hand in its little box a great little stove. It only weighs about a 100g and folds up very small

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Vango-ACXSTOVE- ... ango+stove

you really cant beat taking water from a loch and serving up dinner:

Re: Cycling holidays

24 November 2015 - 10:22pm
thelawnet wrote:Well I found an existing itinerary, albeit one that is no longer run


Ah, happy memories of Lake Toba circa 1987! Love the idea of cycling round Samosir.
Hope they've updated the ferry - The huge old truck engine they used frequently stalled, and only way to restart it was using us passengers in tug of war mode on the end of a long rope wrapped around the flywheel! It mostly worked......

Re: advice wanted re:Danube - Passau to Vienna/wild camping

24 November 2015 - 9:15pm
As well as campsites (kampingplatz?), in Germany you sometimes see a 'zeltplatz' (tent-place?). The one I used was basically a field where you could put a tent up free for one night, with a bar adjacent where you could use a tap and a toilet. Nice halfway house between campsite and wild camping. I think there's one at Passau, and one at Linz.

Re: Touring luxuries

24 November 2015 - 8:53pm

Re: Touring luxuries

24 November 2015 - 7:28pm
My slippers, I know it sounds silly but as a credit card tourer it's a piece of home in the hotel or B and B.
Last thing in the pannier and the first out.

Re: Cycling holidays

24 November 2015 - 5:20pm
Having lived, cycled and bike commuted in Singapore then a normal European distance needs to be reduced significantly by the effects of heat and humidity. I would suggest 40 miles per day is the absolute maximum for visitors who will not be acclimatised.

I think identifying a target customer, the fitness and experience you expect will help massively. You cannot be everything to everyone.

Re: Cycling holidays

24 November 2015 - 5:10pm
thelawnet wrote:Climbing on the stoney road, and descending on loose gravel (the back of the bike tends to slide away) was a bit outside of my normal comfort zone
It's the tyres that need to be fatter for rough and gravel roads, rather than the wheel size as such. 1.75 would be a minimum.
You may also like to consider getting bikes with a range of different wheel sizes - 26" for smaller women or 29" for tall blokes. Bikes generally ride better if the wheel size is more or less fitted to the frame size.




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