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Re: Default tourer?

15 December 2014 - 1:31pm
if you are tall 6 foot + unless you want a farmers gate frame then lots of spacers needed? My 1-Down on the smaller sizes has a sloping top tube but not really on the 57cm largest frame. if loads of spaces works then fine by me

Re: Default tourer?

15 December 2014 - 1:10pm
mrjemm wrote:So many headset spacers being needed to raise the bars to a useable level. Everything starts to look silly after a while, whereas a sloping toptube design could've been so much neater.

Except that in many cases a sloping top tube doesn't mean a longer headtube. Thorn bikes are a good example of both the slope and the use of spacers.
Anyway, who's to say what looks silly? Many people don't like the look of sloping top tubes.

Re: Default tourer?

15 December 2014 - 12:54pm
Another +1 for the Disc Trucker...Great bike imo..But i do agree it can look a bit gappy esp with the larger frame and smaller wheel size..I swapped the stock tyres for something a little fatter and with the SKS guards think it looks how a touring bike should...Handles great loaded too.006.JPG

Re: Default tourer?

15 December 2014 - 11:13am
mrjemm wrote:So many headset spacers being needed to raise the bars to a useable level. Everything starts to look silly after a while, whereas a sloping toptube design could've been so much neater.

Oh aye, cos a 3 foot long headtube would look so much better...

Having a shorter headtube and more spacers = more flexibility to get a bike that fits. I have 10mm under my stem and I've left 30mm on top. With a longer headtube, I couldn't get that fit.

Re: Default tourer?

15 December 2014 - 10:42am
So many headset spacers being needed to raise the bars to a useable level. Everything starts to look silly after a while, whereas a sloping toptube design could've been so much neater.

Re: Default tourer?

15 December 2014 - 10:24am
and maybe also the traditional horizontal toptube design, which tends to result in mucho spacerism when a comfy set-up is arrived at.

I'm afraid I haven't a clue what you mean here (spacerism?) - could you please explain?

Thought for today:
"You can lead a horticulture, but you can't make her think"

Re: Established touring routes?

15 December 2014 - 10:16am
Brilliant Folks ! Just what I was after. I'll give them all a look.

Many thanks

Re: What is the best dynamo hub for touring?

15 December 2014 - 10:14am
Yes you would need to buy spokes because the flanges on the dynamo hub are larger and you need shorter spokes.

At this point the only part of your old wheel that you would be using is your rim. You can buy decent quality rims for £18. So for just £18 of new rim you save dismantling the old wheel and have your old wheel as a spare or possibly sell it for £20 to recoup the money.

I would not rebuild the old wheel if it was my bike, I would keep it and use it for those times of the year when the dynamo was mostly redundant.

Re: Default tourer?

15 December 2014 - 10:03am
Here you go, Soma compared to Surly...


Re: Default tourer?

15 December 2014 - 9:59am
PH wrote:My American friends tell me that before the popularity of the LHT, touring bikes were very much a niche item and the choice for off the peg affordable models was usually the Trek 520 and Cannondale Touring. The other thing is that the choice has now increased thanks to the LHT popularity, I don't think SOMA (Which is a make I like, I have the ES) had a specific touring bike until recently.

I thought the Soma Saga had been going quite some time, while the Disc was only a recent addition. You may well be right though about affordable touring bikes, I don't really know; it's largely an assumption on my part that they'd be better off for such things. Perhaps the psychology there is less thrifty, and a less 'affordable' touring bike is seen as an investment, leading to more high profile brands in this market, such as Rivendell, Gunnar, etc. I dunno.

Where we have such names as Hewitt, Ghyllside and others selling a standard Taiwanese frameset in their own colours, I would again make a leap and guess that something similar would likely be offered by local/regional cycle stores (gotta use the lingo!) over there, perhaps even the very same framesets from the very same factory.

Just wondering in my head about the idea that there's an equivalent to Spa over there. Harris Cycles perhaps? http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/bikes.html Interesting to note the brands there; a significant proportion being UK names.

Sweep wrote:Some configurations can look like two wheels on a farm gate.

26" Wheels in a largish frame... Oh my, those are... erm, 'niche' products indeed. Ahem.

Re: Touring in remote locations - advice please

15 December 2014 - 9:58am
But other than the bears, pumas, wolves, coyotes, racoon's, skunks, snakes, scorpions, tarantulas, psychopaths, water born parasites, hypothermia, desert heat, altitude, lack of food, water, motels and phone signal...its quite a nice place?

Re: What is the best dynamo hub for touring?

15 December 2014 - 9:58am
Question, is it possible to take a standard wheel, namely the one found on the Dawes Super Galaxy:


And replace the standard hub with a dynamo hub? Ideally I'd like to do this myself, but would I need to buy new spokes too?


Re: Established touring routes?

15 December 2014 - 9:16am
shane wrote:http://www.eurovelo.com/en/eurovelos

Some of the Eurovelo routes are better completed and signed than others but a quick google should reveal lots of information on 1,6 and the North Sea route for example . If you need more guidance you may be looking for a supported or semi supported ride. It's not a sin to use them especially if you are too busy at work etc to sort out a good route plan.

Local tourist offices also offer varying standards of info on route networks near to them.

Try Stamfords too, either online or in their shops- they carry a lot of route books for places like france and Germany. It's like the kid in the sweetie shop upstairs in there. I've also got UK cycle route in the downstairs sections.


Re: Established touring routes?

15 December 2014 - 9:15am
Have a look at www.cicerone.co.uk

They do an ever increasing range of cycle guide books both here and abroad. As a rule they include enough info on suitable types of bike and what to take to enable a novice to give it a go


Re: Multi Function Watches

15 December 2014 - 6:23am
My first priorities are solar power and then atomic sync. With these 2 things sorted you are pretty much going to be fine for telling the time for ever. These features are relatively inexpensive on watches these days.

I have long been a vintage watch collector and in particular, Japanese ones.
Over on the Japanese watch forum, we all pretty much have the opinion that Casio wins out bang for buck every time, even if other more expensive sensor watches can make stronger claims to accuracy with the alti/baro..

I have had a few Pro Trek/Pathfinder (different names for the same line in different countries) and G shock. I recommend them without hesitation.

This one is my favourite. I love the large face, as it's really easy to glance at and read, even across the room if you've taken it off. As other people have pointed out, the temp sensor also measures your wrist temperature and as such won't give ambient readings unless you take it off for a while.
The compass I found to be as accurate as I'd ever need it to be. This is Mick Jagger's multi function watch of choice...(seen wearing one at a film festival a few years back)

and this is my daily wearer. Nothing can go wrong with it.

The next one I plan to get is this one. It's a bit smaller so will fit under a work shirt, but still has the big face. It also has sun up and sundown and I think moon phases on this one.

MickF- out of interest what is your Seiko auto from the 70's? I have a number of Seiko autos from that era.

Re: Default tourer?

15 December 2014 - 2:46am
Yes, I'd agree with Dale. The Surly Disc Trucker is a special bike to ride. I was on and off numerous road and mountain bikes for amateur racing and for just faffing around lots were fun but that was it. I had a break from cycling for a while and when I got back to it I thought, I like the feel of steel and I want to get back to low tech, basic, enjoyable riding on something that brings a smile to the face mile after mile. I had a look at a lot of bikes but when I got a test ride on the disc trucker I knew I'd found what I was looking for. I love it! It's a fantastic bike that makes you want to use it.
I'm now progressing to longer rides on it and looking at a decent tour fully loaded and I have every confidence in the Disc Trucker for the job. 10 / 10 from me.


Re: North or south ?

15 December 2014 - 2:26am
Thanks very much for all your replies folks. Lots of good advice and food for thought in there and it seems good and bad points for North or South. All valid and worthy of serious consideration.
Something that really grabbed my attention and gave me a swift boot up the action button was the suggestion that the South of France was a nice destination to aim for. I ran that one past the wife tonight ,having filled her with fine red wine and was given royal approval for a European trip as part of a 'reccy' for a future trip for both of us. So having been scared sh1tless by the 'weather bomb' of touring in the UK, I'm now having a look at migrating south into deepest France sometime soon.
If anyone has done it in late January or February and can offer any advice I'd love to hear of your experiences.

Thanks again

Established touring routes?

15 December 2014 - 2:06am
Hi Folks,
Could anyone give me a steer towards a book/ publication / web site/ blog where I might find details of established routes through Europe, France to South of France , Portugal , UK - North to South, West to East etc etc ? There's got to be something out there to help with planning a bike friendly trip along some of these lines?

I'm looking for an idiots guide ( yes, I need it!) type thing that would take me from A to B along scenic routes with info on stops/ good points/hazards etc along the way ?

As always, all replies very much appreciated.


Re: TOURING 2015

14 December 2014 - 11:28pm
Hoping to dawdle around Suffolks Painters Trail in 2015 with my watercolours. After falling off, my shoulder is still not right and am hoping for an op to set it right. Was going last September but my accident prevented it. Picked up an info pack from the Information Centre in Lavenham this morning. They still have 1 copy left if anyone wants one.
Probably do something across the channel too.. Wish it was further afield.



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