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Re: Do I need front panniers for touring?

8 September 2014 - 10:33am
You dont *NEED* front panniers but I find them handy for storing clothes and sleeping kit with food on top for easy access.

What I do notice is that front panniers significantly slow me down over a day. But then it pays for itself by having a comfy nights sleep.

For me it boils down to if I need to sleep or not.

Re: Do I need front panniers for touring?

8 September 2014 - 10:04am
Saw some people on Hadrian's Cycleway using the plastic bucket method this weekend. http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/?doc_id=1841

I like front panniers, one big fluffy pillow in each. Do like a good nights sleep.

Re: East West C2C Spanish Pyrenees Tour.

8 September 2014 - 4:06am
Incidentally, the opencyclemap route I linked to in my first post is very much an off road MTB route.

I met some guys who were doing it in a week with a support vehicle a day before they finished. About 3000 mtrs of climbing a day. They were all absolutely exhausted and I have absolutely no idea why anyone would want to put such a challenging time pressure on a trip like that. The Pyrenees are beautiful and deserve to be enjoyed. Anyway...

Re: Ditching my Hybrid for a full Spec Tourer

7 September 2014 - 10:44pm
I have a koga miyata randonneur.the cheaper version of what mark Beaumont went round the world on.I have had it about 5*years now.done lots of touring.camping and I love it.was much better than the dawes ultra galaxy then.and the new ultra I saw yesterday has gone downhill.excuse the pun.pedals were awful.no lights.cheap looking taped handlebars.look into it.good luck.

Re: Two Together Rail Card

7 September 2014 - 10:00pm
stu1102 wrote:just got my Two Together Rail Card as my wife and I are fed up with driving everywhere with bikes in the car

Excellent. I just did a five train one way journey using my Senior rail card. All went well. It really wouldn't take much to make bike facilities on trains very good indeed (measuring a bike might help for starters!).

Re: Show your touring bikes !!!!

7 September 2014 - 4:19pm
Thorn Club Tour on day 1 of Way of The Roses, 4th Aug 2014

Re: Show your touring bikes !!!!

7 September 2014 - 2:11pm
My Condor Heritage tourer.

Re: Overnight sleep possible in Barcelona airport?

7 September 2014 - 10:26am
I flew from El Prat last month - there is a sign on the door (when coming from the train) that doors are closed between 11 pm and 4 am - there were no flights leaving after my flight - 10.40 pm.

Re: East West C2C Spanish Pyrenees Tour.

7 September 2014 - 9:55am
I finished my tour of the Pyrenees and cycled up through France and got a ferry from Dieppe to Newhaven. It was by far the most rewarding thing I have done in my life. I thought it might satiate my desire to cycle tour but I can't help but think of the next time I can cycle through a mountainous area and find myself daydreaming about it constantly.

A highlight was cycling between Ochagavia and St Jean Peid a Port which was gruelling but wonderful.

Here's some pics to help inspire anyone else to do something similar. DO IT!


Re: My first tour (I didn't make it)

7 September 2014 - 1:52am
Sounds like a successful trip - over the mountain and the best-tasting coffee ever!

You'll no doubt be intrigued to try the route again but with some packing ammendments, maybe one bottle of diluting juice rather than all the lucozade.

I agree with others, the pushing on foot will have given your legs an extra battering. You could do worse than taking stairs rather than escalators in everyday life, in training for your next lucozade-vs-mountain challenge!

Re: Do I need front panniers for touring?

6 September 2014 - 8:42pm
My Tuppence:

To the OP, no you don't need front panniers, in fact there is very little you actually need to go bike touring... others have mentioned a particular phase many times before . ....it depends..... Location, weather, season, money, experiences .. etc.. etc...

There is only one way to find out, make an educated guess and go, then adapt your kit and load to your requirements based on your experiences and destination(s)...

Kit lists are good as an aid to formulate your own ... But make sure your list is tailored to yourself...

To me weight is not a big issue. I wild camp in comfort with no real time restrictions - I have a stool, 3 changes of cycling clothing and one set for the pub, trangia etc.. My kit is reasonably low tech therefore big and heavy except the mattress... The tent is a supposedly 3 man @ 2.9kg. I’ve not ridden a hill yet where I needed to walk (although I’m sure I will find one soon and to me walking is okay..) and I go 6'4", 110kg with around 25kg total luggage and have had far too many birthdays. Okay I was slow winching up many an incline in the highlands recently but I was grand about it. I prefer 4 panniers, a bar bag and a small waterproof roll up bag on the back and certainly I have no stability or wobble issues winching up hills in the granny.. but then everyones rig is differrent...

I’ve met and chatted to many cycling tourists in all combinations of gear from 4 panniers and a trailer to just a bag on the back.... Some students had stuff over their back wheel piled as high as themselves and a rucksack to boot with nothing on the front of their not high tech old front suspension MTB’s ... And guess what, all were enjoying themselves touring... Okay I sure many after looking at other peoples kit would change a bit or so but that’s the same for almost everyone...

Re: Trans Penine Trail

6 September 2014 - 8:33pm
I recently rode from home in Halifax to my parents house on the Wirral, and used the trans Pennine trail from manchester onwards.
I have a cheap and cheerful btwin triban3 and I have to admit that I was shaken to bits in some places due to the terrain of the trail.

However, I absolutely loved it. Terrific fun, although i was completely exhausted after the 90 miles, mainly due to the terrain on a cheap aluminium bike.

My upgrade from 23mm tyres to 25mm marathon pluses proved to be a good choice.

Re: Touring Bike For Tall Person...

6 September 2014 - 7:50pm
how about one of these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEU-VSF-Fahrr ... ahrrad_Anhänger&hash=item58b4b25df9 if you dont want to buy direct from germany (i got my tx400 from these and they where very good )then chrisbikes do them but not sure of the prices

Re: My second tour (I made it)

6 September 2014 - 6:54pm
Excellent. This has perked me up no end. Enjoy all those still to come.

Re: Do I need front panniers for touring?

6 September 2014 - 5:45pm
RickH wrote:wearwell wrote:One big drawback with front panniers is the damping effect when you are tired and going up hills heavily laden in bottom gear. The weight on the front damps the natural side to side turns - you get wobbles and use up even more energy trying to keep the bike going straight. High tyre pressure helps a bit (less resistance to turning). Next trip I do will be without them.
On fast easy terrain they are no prob at all and a damping effect is useful.
You don't have to waggle the bars around - look at the trials/stunt riders balancing on something seemingly impossibly narrow, they stay there by shifting their weight from side to side rather than turning the bars. Admittedly I'm nowhere near as good as them but, for the most part, I can ride up a steep hill at slow speeds (c3 mph) without much bar movement. I do get plenty of practice having lived 2/3 of the way up a stupidly steep hill for over 30 years - I usually either come home up 250ft ascent in the last 1/2 mile or go out up a similar gradient of about half the distance (& sometimes end up doing both in 1 trip!).

Rick.Yes but it's very different if you are near the end 15th day of a 1000 mile ride going uphill heavily loaded (to get over the Vercors in my case). Trials/stunt riders don't do the mileage, don't carry the weight, and if they did their stunts would probably land them in the ditch on day one.

Re: My second tour (I made it)

6 September 2014 - 3:26pm
Good stuff!

You can probably tune things more if you want by throwing money at it, but the really important point is you don't need to because you have a setup that demonstrably works


Re: Touring bike alternatives?

6 September 2014 - 11:28am
I've been using Schwalbe Big Apple's, 26 x 2.00, on my Dawes One Down and like how well they roll but after about 800 miles they have a lot of deep cuts on the tread.

Re: My second tour (I made it)

6 September 2014 - 12:55am
Really pleased you've discovered the wonder of it all. Remember looking at a map and seeing how far we'd gone and being amazed.

I was smiling at memories of that route 5 diversion (from your first attempt) and how much we swore after being diverted off the flat coast road. Have shown your post to my partner who reminded me that we'd done it west to east, and how steep the road was down to Bagillt, which obviously you went up. Your story of the first trip had a lot more resonance when I realised that, that's a bugger of a hill.

Our only tip would be to get a smaller tent and a cover for the bike. We use a motorbike cover that protects both bikes.

Re: Touring Bike For Tall Person...

5 September 2014 - 11:04pm
Cheers all for your help. Hoping to get some time over the weekend to have a browse over the internet about all this good stuff!!! [emoji2]

Re: Trans Penine Trail

5 September 2014 - 11:04pm
Cunobelin's top photo is probably 'Cheshire Lines' bit near Maghull and even though it's now tarmac it can still be a canal at times!


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