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Re: Touring in Norway

20 January 2015 - 8:37pm
Vorpal wrote:jakobpoffley wrote:Vorpal wrote:The only faster way over the central mountains is by other means of transport.
Couldn't I go further south? My bike doesn't have very wide tires so i don't think the Rallarvegen would work.
What tyres do you have? I said fattish just meaning that 25 mm wide tyres aren't suitable. I probably woulnd't try it with 28 mm, either, but most bikes that can carry camping gear will be okay on Rallarvegen. I've done it on a hybrid with 32 mm wide Marathons.

And, of course you can go further south. But the road routes through the mountains to the south: E16, route 7, and E134 all have tunnels that ban cyclists, and it's pretty much impossible to completely avoid them. But that said, if you are okay with taking buses to get through a couple of places where you can't take a bike in a tunnel, there are some alternatives. If you want, I'll see if I can come up with a couple of suggestions.

You can also go around on the coast, which is obviously longer, but has it's own attractions.

I'm probably going to go on my brother's dawes galaxy tourer but i don't know what tyres it has but I don't think particularly wide. If you think its do-able then you'd obviously know better than me but i must be honest that i want to be cautious because i haven't had particularly good experiences with tracks like that in the past and i don't want to be stuck on it for ages if it's really not suitable. It does look beautiful though and i'm sure it is amazing!
I see... would it work to go as far south as somewhere like stavanger or would that be avoiding beautiful parts of norway? I think going all the way round the coast would take to long. If you could find some alternatives i would be very grateful.

Re: LLC and Wales Questions

20 January 2015 - 8:37pm
Thats what I am figuring - I don't get to the UK until after the festival, and won't be hitting midwales for a few days after arrival.

Re: Cycle Touring Festival Clitheroe

20 January 2015 - 8:19pm
Never been to a festival or concert or anything else like that in my life so I did wonder if the price was fair or not. I suppose they (the organisers) might be paying a small fortune for the use of the grounds (they look a bit posh), the 3 meals, insurance (I'm guessing a hundred or so cyclists riding across the wet grass might make a mess), costs for the speakers, advertising and who knows what else.
But reading the last few posts, I guess I'm not such a tight**** after all
I feel better now

Re: Touring in Norway

20 January 2015 - 7:18pm
beardy wrote:Asking from the viewpoint of somebody who has never flown with a bike, do the luggage weight limits allow you to carry enough kit (including the bike) for four weeks of wild camping?
Last summer my family and i managed to do a 3 week trip with just the bikes in the hold and hand luggage. We also had one hold bag to put a few things in but put a couple of things and empty panniers in with the bikes.

Re: Touring in Norway

20 January 2015 - 7:15pm
Vorpal wrote:The only faster way over the central mountains is by other means of transport.
Couldn't I go further south? My bike doesn't have very wide tires so i don't think the Rallarvegen would work.

Re: 2nd pair of shoes

20 January 2015 - 6:55pm
Flipflops. Nice to air the feet out in the evening and I can wear them in the shower on dodgy campsites. I tried Crocs and hated them. Left them in a rubbish bin somewhere in Germany.

Re: accommodation

20 January 2015 - 6:52pm
I think in the OPs case it's not so bad as he is sharing and you have to divide by two even thought it is his beloved and he may be picking up the tab. Touring solo it cost's a fortune! Accommodation is my biggest problem when touring alone. I have often had to pay too much because there is nothing else and it's getting late. I take emergency camping gear with me and I do have to use it. I agree about paying a fortune just to lay my head down for a few hours.
In October there were two of us touring Portugal. My touring partner had the latest I phone with a Booking.Com App. We booked hotels as we sat in the town square and then just wandered in ten minutes later. We often secured good rooms with breakfast for about £30 for two. It was so easy. I'm on a humble old Blackberry phone that is useless for this type of thing. I'm currently trying to find a pay as you go phone that I can use to duplicate this for reasonable money as normally nobody texts or rings me.

Re: It makes me want to tour there again .....

20 January 2015 - 6:45pm
Bigjim

I had a very pleasant ride up to the Tan Hill Inn from Reith (Yorkshire Dales) in July, meeting only the odd bit of farm traffic along the way. Only 12 miles or so, but very nice. And a nice pub lunch at the top!

Re: It makes me want to tour there again .....

20 January 2015 - 6:34pm
pwa wrote:The motorised vehicles have changed, but there are rural areas of the north of England where the roads are still mostly quiet and things seem largely as they were half a century ago.
Now I need to know where this is. I ride out with the club in lancashire, Yorkshire and Cheshire and we still meet a lot of traffic on Sundays. It's a rare lane where we can ride in peace.

Re: 2nd pair of shoes

20 January 2015 - 6:25pm
I just wear sandals on flat pedals.....saves carrying extra footwear.

Re: Cycle Touring Festival Clitheroe

20 January 2015 - 5:56pm
£75.00...?

Wowzers! That's me priced out too unless something changes. I live over four hours away in Somerset, so I've got to factor in travel expenses; a local teenager to look after my chickens and kennels or dog sitter for my spaniel.

A shame........hc

EDIT: As a comparison (so I'm not just moaning) I went to a 4 day, 3 night festival at the beginning of Summer last year and paid £40.00 for a FULL price ticket. Camping, talks, workshops and similar, day- time and night-time entertainment (live bands) all included. You could bring your own food or buy there. I bought there and for fresh, wholesome, produce it cost me £8.00/day for the 1st 3 days (3 meals) and £3.00 on the last day (breakfast). Good value and I'll go again.

The festival industry is over-saturated as you know and it's really hard to get good attendances. Apart from the whole bank-loan problem which makes life difficult for festival organisers, it's little wonder they go bust all the time.

I'll never get to see Yorkshire or Lancashire at this rate. It's expensive up North.............hc

Re: Cycle Touring Festival Clitheroe

20 January 2015 - 5:39pm
Vantage wrote:I received an email update concerning the festival the other day. This is part of it...

How much are tickets?

Early bird tickets will cost £75 for the weekend. This includes: •Two nights basic camping accommodation
•Lunches on Saturday and Sunday; dinner on Saturday
•Access to all talks and workshops


£75 is the price for the discounted limited number early booked tickets as I understand it.

So that's me priced out of it

Not surprised you won't be going at that price.
I think that will put off a lot of cyclists.
I pay £25 for 3 nights camping including 2 nights entertainment at our national motorcycle event.
What is it that warrants £75?

Re: Cycle Touring Festival Clitheroe

20 January 2015 - 5:12pm
I received an email update concerning the festival the other day. This is part of it...

How much are tickets?

Early bird tickets will cost £75 for the weekend. This includes: •Two nights basic camping accommodation
•Lunches on Saturday and Sunday; dinner on Saturday
•Access to all talks and workshops


£75 is the price for the discounted limited number early booked tickets as I understand it.

So that's me priced out of it

Re: Bike suitability for a particular interior road in Icela

20 January 2015 - 4:40pm
Load distribution, yeah that's the other caveat I haven't mentioned. This will be my first time touring with front panniers, as I will need the extra capacity. I've not tested my bike with front panniers yet. Got the rack, just haven't fitted it yet. And if it makes it unstable, which I gather is possible, I might have to re-evaluate. Tubus racks btw, so solid enough there.

To be honest, for this trip, I have to be ready that things will fail. If it's not the bike, it will be the tent or something else, it's quite likely. I would mind on a longer trip and more far away locations, but with a short trip which didn't cost much and a place like Iceland, I don't think I would be too disappointed if I have to be a regular tourist for a couple of weeks.

But yeah, I'll probably go and get that stronger wheel set from Spa..

Re: Bike suitability for a particular interior road in Icela

20 January 2015 - 4:27pm
22camels wrote:Yeah ok I will probably go with the new wheel set, but I'm still a bit skeptical as I'm on a bit of a budget and to invest another 250 into a bike I won't be keeping for that much longer seems a bit rash. 40mm tyres on new wheels, or 35mm tyres on current stock wheels, that I've had no trouble with, never a broken spoke. Actually I have done, on 28mm tyres, a bit of forestry roads here and even beaches where the sand was dense enough and it was fine. There is a lot of variation in off-road surfaces, even within Iceland, so, lacking experience, it's difficult for me to say now how it will be on the specific road I'm thinking of taking. Also whilst yes sure it's true that strong wheels are essential, and Iceland demands an extra high level of preparedness, I suspect it's tempting to over prepare / over insure - yes if you want the trip to be perfect, or if it's a long trip, yes, but for a short trip of three weeks, if there is a 50% chance I'll be fine with my current setup, if a bit slow on the gravel, and the other 50% of the time, my wheels break in the first week, I have to catch a ride to the next town, and spend the rest of the trip larking around on foot, do I mind that much? Not sure..
I don't adventure tour, but I do do a very specialist sport in a very remote place and where if stuff breaks I just cannot do what I travelled halfway round the World to do.

My motto is to buy the right kit (not necessarily the most expensive), take spares, make sure I'm entirely self-sufficient such that I can mend myself or my kit if either breaks. It's been close once or twice, but I've only ever lost one half-day in c30 trips and that was due to my own crass stupidity and the proximity of a whisky bottle I think others have given you great advice along similar lines which will help your trip to go as you'd wish.

Re: Bike suitability for a particular interior road in Icela

20 January 2015 - 4:23pm
22camels wrote:Yeah I need to learn how to replace broken spokes.

Do you think upgrading just the back wheel will be alright then, there wouldn't be some sort of imbalance between the wider heavier stronger rim on the back, and the narrow, lighter, weaker rim on the front?

That's the thing, I wouldn't lose most of my holiday as I'm sure I would still have a good time even without my bike, it's about expectations. But I guess the primary purpose I set myself for this trip is to learn more about longer distance bike touring in a more challenging environment as the max I've done up to now is one week in quite easy places and I have plans for a much longer trip. So in that sense yes I think should take the bike side of it seriously .

If funds are limited, then the priority would be the back wheel, you would have to keep the load limited up front ( just enough to make handling of the bike better) and avoid potholes, your front wheel might not survive those.

Maybe you could do the rough stuff in the last week? That way any problems are not too much of a big deal, you will still have had lots of cycling, doing this you might be able to use your existing back wheel.

Re: Bike suitability for a particular interior road in Icela

20 January 2015 - 4:14pm
If you want to help preserve the wheels do not put everything on the rear of the bike, spread the load! Take an emergency spoke - no need to remove cassette to get you going again.

Looking at those roads, it looks like fun and i'd happily tackle them on my Airnimal!

Re: Bike suitability for a particular interior road in Icela

20 January 2015 - 3:51pm
Yeah I need to learn how to replace broken spokes.

Do you think upgrading just the back wheel will be alright then, there wouldn't be some sort of imbalance between the wider heavier stronger rim on the back, and the narrow, lighter, weaker rim on the front?

That's the thing, I wouldn't lose most of my holiday as I'm sure I would still have a good time even without my bike, it's about expectations. But I guess the primary purpose I set myself for this trip is to learn more about longer distance bike touring in a more challenging environment as the max I've done up to now is one week in quite easy places and I have plans for a much longer trip. So in that sense yes I think should take the bike side of it seriously .

Re: Bike suitability for a particular interior road in Icela

20 January 2015 - 3:34pm
Yes, that sounds like good advice. Having the kit and the knowledge to repair wheels in the field will cost you little and give you a feeling of independence. You need to be able to get the cassette off (tiny portable tool from Spa) and you need spare spokes (mainly cassette side rear) and a spoke key.

Re: Bike suitability for a particular interior road in Icela

20 January 2015 - 3:25pm
22camels wrote:Yeah ok I will probably go with the new wheel set, but I'm still a bit skeptical as I'm on a bit of a budget and to invest another 250 into a bike I won't be keeping for that much longer seems a bit rash. 40mm tyres on new wheels, or 35mm tyres on current stock wheels, that I've had no trouble with, never a broken spoke. Actually I have done, on 28mm tyres, a bit of forestry roads here and even beaches where the sand was dense enough and it was fine. There is a lot of variation in off-road surfaces, even within Iceland, so, lacking experience, it's difficult for me to say now how it will be on the specific road I'm thinking of taking. Also whilst yes sure it's true that strong wheels are essential, and Iceland demands an extra high level of preparedness, I suspect it's tempting to over prepare / over insure - yes if you want the trip to be perfect, or if it's a long trip, yes, but for a short trip of three weeks, if there is a 50% chance I'll be fine with my current setup, if a bit slow on the gravel, and the other 50% of the time, my wheels break in the first week, I have to catch a ride to the next town, and spend the rest of the trip larking around on foot, do I mind that much? Not sure..

Turn it around and look at it another way. You only have a short trip, a breakage could mean losing most of your holiday. To keep costs down you could just upgrade the back wheel. These at £86 for rear wheel

http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php ... b0s176p349

will do the job perfectly. For the front take do not put a lot of weight up front, take a few spare spokes and learn how to repair them. Most spoke breakagages are on the rear anyway. When you get rid of the bike, sell the rear wheel on here ( or transfer to the new one, it will almost always be better than what is supplied on a new one if the rear wheel is machine built), you'll get a decent price.

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