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Re: Getting to Germany with bikes

5 August 2014 - 6:39pm
I have only just caught up with this topic.I live in Taunton and am doing a tour of Switzerland and Germany in about a fortnight's time.It so happens that I will be using the same airlines that I used last year when I flew from Bristol to Zurich with Helvetic and back from Milan with BMI International.This year I am flying to Zurich again and back with BMI from Frankfurt.It was very straightforward.I used the CTC polythene bag which was accepted by BMI without any problem.However the check in staff at Milan asked me to deflate the tyres despite the BMI website clearly indicating that it was not necessary.BMI only use small 50 seat planes and do not guarantee to carry the bike if it is full but on enquiry say this would be a very rare occurrence and the bike would be put on the next plane.The advantage of the small plane it is very quick to get on and off.I investigated using the train but decided that it looked complicated and expensive.I took advantage of a promotion offered by BMI to celebrate Germany winning the World Cup and paid all of 69 euros!Taking bikes on German trains is straightforward the timetable clearly indicates which carry bikes but you have to pay a small separate fare for them.I have used the CTC bag for several tours now without any damage being caused to the bike a Thorn with a Rohloff gear

Re: Getting to Germany with bikes

5 August 2014 - 6:34pm
Hello Foxyrider,
How did you find that? I've done little bits on other trips but the VCA seems a little disjointed in places.

We deviated from it, but our inspiration came from the Esterbauer Bikeline route guide to the VCA and the GPS files which are available from that guidebook.

Re: Windermere to pick up way of roses

5 August 2014 - 6:07pm
The B6254 is a good road.
There's also a route from Borwick to the 6254 for Gressingham.

Re: Danube cycle path

5 August 2014 - 6:01pm
ANTONISH wrote:wirral_cyclist wrote:We did a bike and boat from Passau to Vienna [snip]

I saw the bike/boat trip on the internet. Do you have use their hire bikes or could you use your own?
I seem to remember a mention of 21 speed which to me suggests a BSO.
Thanks to everyone for the comments on this.

We went with Radreisen.at Hire bike use was optional (chargeable not inclusive) lots of people using their own - we'd have used our own but logistically it was too difficult to do and would have been much more expensive. The hire bikes were hideously heavy step throughs for anyone shorter than 186cm and fairly heavy diamond framed if taller, all new looking but clearly various ages judging by the differing company graphics but all very well maintained.

Re: Getting to Germany with bikes

5 August 2014 - 3:23pm
If you want to go to Bonn anyway, would it not be possible to extend your holiday for a few days and cycle along the Rhine Radweg from the Hook to Bonn? It would be easy from there to catch a day train from Bonn to Koblenz for the start of your Mosel tour.

Re: Danube cycle path

5 August 2014 - 2:45pm
Cicerone do a guide for this: ISBN 1-85284-345-4. There is a section where the route leaves the riverside for a hilly diversion, which can be avoided by taking to the water! Mostly it is an easy way downstream.

Re: Windermere to pick up way of roses

5 August 2014 - 2:02pm
Just picked up a WOR map and looks like I could stick on the b6254 at Over Kelley and then cut off on what looks like route 90? towards Gressingham, does that seem viable? No experience of the b6254, so don't know what it's like but it may cut few miles off , rather than going to Halton? It might not though lol !

Re: Danube cycle path

5 August 2014 - 1:16pm
wirral_cyclist wrote:We did a bike and boat from Passau to Vienna and it is indeed pan flat, our tour had us doing 25-35 miles a day and we thought it was going to be too short and easy - until we got there and the 35C temperature made us glad for the easy riding! Lots to see along the river but I believe it is a bit 'samey' once you've done our stretch, well until you get over the border for a culture change. Being in a valley means there are valley sides to climb in places that should provide variation. Lots of riverside accommodation and certainly in Austria you'll have no trouble booking somewhere and all in English if you need it. We did train from Munich Airport to Pasau and lots of bikes on the regional services but I've no idea about the fast long distance trains - has to be better than UK though!

I saw the bike/boat trip on the internet. Do you have use their hire bikes or could you use your own?
I seem to remember a mention of 21 speed which to me suggests a BSO.
Thanks to everyone for the comments on this.

Re: Windermere to pick up way of roses

5 August 2014 - 12:47pm
Cheers guy's thanks for info and taking time to reply

Re: C2C routes by tandem advice....

5 August 2014 - 11:20am
RickH wrote:The route link to does seem a bit bizarre!

It has big gaps in places & goes round in circles in others. I note also that it crosses a dual carriageway near Carlisle Castle where you would have to lift your bike over a fence in the central reservation at a spot that has "Do not cross here" signs along it (Streetview link)!!

Rick.

There is a pedestrian underpass, with ramps, across the dual carriageway near Carlisle castle. It works for bikes.

Re: Getting to Germany with bikes

5 August 2014 - 11:20am
ubert767 wrote:We did the Via Claudia Augusta from Munich this year, brilliant!

How did you find that? I've done little bits on other trips but the VCA seems a little disjointed in places

Re: Getting to Germany with bikes

5 August 2014 - 10:50am
Mosel is indeed very enjoyable, we did it's entire length last year.
Flew Easyjet from Gatwick to Basel with our bikes, no problem, then train via Mulhouse to Kruth. Over the Col de Bussang on a quiet back road to the source of the Mosel, then it is down hill all the way to Koblenz
We caught the train from Koblenz to Luxembourg and flew home from there. All went very well and introduced us to how wonderful cycling in Germany can be.
We did the Via Claudia Augusta from Munich this year, brilliant!

Re: Anyone use a trailer ?

5 August 2014 - 10:07am
mercalia wrote:Seems like Rosebikes stock suitable skewers for these cheap bob yak trailers -

http://www.rosebikes.com/article/rose-q ... aid:341175

it looks like it may be an improvement over the original one - certainly looks different

I have contacted Rosebikes about their skewer and they tell me the one in the picture is the one they are selling

My skewer arrived today from Rosebikes and it's different from the one in the image and it does not fit the trailer. The gap for the trailer to go into is a couple of mm to small.

Dave

Re: Windermere to pick up way of roses

5 August 2014 - 9:51am
Windermere to Halton about 30 miles.
The start at Morecambe will be a couple of miles extra if you divert to the coast road at Hest Bank.
Roughly 7 miles from Morecambe to Halton.
http://wayoftheroses.info/route

Re: Italy cycle resources?

5 August 2014 - 7:04am
Hi vorpal

Your experience sounds similar to mine then.

Numerous examples of following thin lines on maps and trying to guess whether that line actually carries on to join another clearly marked road or whether it is indeed a dead end. No real way of knowing in Sardinia for sure as often the first bit of such a road will be properly tarmacced. The road may then stop altogether or, very often, just become a "white road" with a firm surface but no tarmac - perfectly rideable and I have ridden many such roads on a Brompton. Many many of these perfectly rideable/driveable roads are not marked. They are however often used by the locals. And are very useful. Sometimes these roads have a small stretch that is unsurfaced or very rough and then the tarmac/hard covered white road will resume. Sometimes this might be because of a local administration boundary or, I sometimes suspect, it's to introduce a short "problem" to discourage heavy use of a road. So, yes, sometimes, if you had walked over that hill you may have found that the road continued

I consider generally available mapping in Italy very poor. A few years ago I once asked an Italian where I could get better (what I considered "proper" maps) from and it was suggested that I should get some military maps. Which were available, though at substantial cost. Since then of course openstreetmap has come along.

Why the knowledge of the homeland was some some sort of preserve of the military I have no idea. But knowing Italy maybe akin to mass being in Latin until modern times (you need the priests to lead you to salvation), appalling mass of often contradictory laws (you need one of the all too many lawyers to guide you to salvation).

And as Pasolini once said, the modern politicians have adopted/adapted the language of the priests so best get in with a party to guide you through the maze.

openstreetmap still very pretty limited in Sardinia but I am sure it will get there. I am very often riding off-map and offopenstreetmap and I stress that this is not on a mountain bike - in fact on a very delicate (not Brompton) folder. I have a free paper map with essentially the same data as TCI and it has quite a few of my notes/lines on it to fill in the gaps.

If the OP should head Tuscany way and be intersred in the Via Francigena there is an excellent 1:50,0000 srip map.

Re: Windermere to pick up way of roses

4 August 2014 - 10:22pm
cycleruk wrote:...or stick to Halton.

But to leave my route, i.e. Stay on the back road to Halton would be going back towards Morecambe surely, and only mean an extra hill (after my turn off (at the 'Power House') between there and Halton), a bit of riverside path and Halton Park Hill. Though there is a barky dog at the farm up by KL Rd...

Can't recall route 6 around there. Sitting in a pub in Aberdeen right now...

As always, when talking routes of any distance, I'd advise against the canal, in case that entered your mind! Looks tempting on a map, but gone to pot in the last year or so, even between Carn & Lanc.

Couldn't guess at distances, sorry.

Re: Windermere to pick up way of roses

4 August 2014 - 9:39pm
Thanks for taking the time to reply guy's. One more question, with the routes suggested how many miles would each be to pick up WOR as then going onto Harrogate

Re: Windermere to pick up way of roses

4 August 2014 - 8:06pm
NCN route 6 goes from Windermere town and through Kendal. Follow to Hest Bank (north Morcambe and pick up coastal road - Route 69 which is the WoR Route.

Personally I would follow mrjemm's route to Carnforth and then maybe pick up Route 6 or stick to Halton.

Re: Getting to Germany with bikes

4 August 2014 - 7:55pm
Fasgadh wrote:In 2010 I crossed Belguim to De Panne by train and then onwards via camping in Dunkirque to the ferry. Very easy and inexpensive journey.
Trains were of the hook the front wheel variety. There are some interesting rail trail routes in the Ardennes / Eifel to link the Leige area with the Mosel. Spotted from a car, not tried them. Lovely scenery.
That info strengthens my plan for that route!
F70100 wrote:If you're still in the market for flying, KLM do Bristol to Cologne (just down the road from Bonn) connecting through Amsterdam. I doubt it would be the cheapest option but it may be the quickest.
Thanks for the suggestion; it's about £300 return which isn't too bad. But a change at Amsterdam means possibly twice the chance of a mishap with the bike!
Quickest isn't the most important factor; luckily I retired this year so have a few days to play with

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