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Re: Tents without groundsheet

23 June 2015 - 10:08pm
Looks like a good tent? What's the space inside like? Can you sit up without touching the roof?

The groundsheet should be very waterproof. If it lets in any water at all I'd send it back. The tarp style groundsheets are completely waterproof but don't breath so moisture can't escape underneath you. Nylon floors usually stay dry better and don't puncture so easily. It's like a Goretex jacket versus a rubber mac. Watch you don't get DEET on it though as that can melt it.

Re: Tents without groundsheet

23 June 2015 - 9:51pm
http://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/north-ridge ... nt-p287260 this is what i bought, id liked the side on design and the little porch for your bags...

reassuring to hear that these are tougher than you might think. but i still have concerns about waterproofing? surely if the ground is wet when you pitch it then the whole floor will be

id imagine id be camping on grass mostly, but some days who knows where you might end up!

Re: 11 speed for touring?

23 June 2015 - 9:23pm
7 & 8 speed freewheels are becoming very common nowadays.

So miles from nowhere a 6 - 7 - 8 speed chain will be easy to come by and wont break the bank.

Re: Tents without groundsheet

23 June 2015 - 9:23pm
What are you camping on? If it's a field of grass with no obvious stones it doesn't really matter, if it's shingle beaches or boulder fields it does.

Re: Tents without groundsheet

23 June 2015 - 9:16pm
Don't fret, modern tents do have thin ground sheets.

If you are camping on soft ground and grass then no problem, if its going to be rocky then some take a foot print which is just a piece of heavier tarp. These can be £30 - 40, but all you need is some cheap tarp from your car accessory shop or camping shop, the really cheap plastic incapsulated woven stuff found on cheap tents is the stuff and is unrippable , till the sun gets it. Less than 100 grams a square metre.

What tent

Re: Tents without groundsheet

23 June 2015 - 9:16pm
What sort of tent is it?

Tarp style bottoms are usually less durable than the lighter nylon ones found on good tents, which are much tougher than they feel.

You can sometimes get lightweight tarps in Poundland to use as a groundsheet. A foam mat also works.

Re: touring tool kit

23 June 2015 - 9:11pm
Many recent parts now feature Torx heads instead of the more sensible Allen bolts. Chainring bolts, Magura HS33's fittings , db caliper adapters etc etc could all be affected and are easy to change out

Re: Bicycles from Britain to Continent

23 June 2015 - 9:05pm
When I looked, the Eurostar restrictions are quite hard to comply with (max of 85cm bike box if I recall), or book ahead and place in goods part of train, but may not arrive on same train as you. I gave up with Eurostar, and decided, if I went abroad, I would use the ferry option.

Tents without groundsheet

23 June 2015 - 9:03pm
i bought a lovely new tent recently in the excitement of it being 1 man and super lightweight. however i have now realised that probably the reason it is so lightweight is because it only has a thin material for the base of the tent. where as my old one had a nice strong tarp type material...

I am wondering if now i need to take a groundsheet to protect this layer and keep me dry? has anyone else had this experience and what would you suggest?
the idea of taking an extra groundsheet is annoying me, this was meant to save space!

Re: Bicycles from Britain to Continent

23 June 2015 - 8:57pm
We have been wondering about this. Do the bicycles need any packing, for example on Eurostar ?

Re: 11 speed for touring?

23 June 2015 - 8:18pm
Interesting chain set for 11s, Sugino OX901, a Compact Plus.
A 110/74 double, so 48/34 or using the 74bcd, a 44/28 like the old Simplex Tourist rings.

Bicycles from Britain to Continent

23 June 2015 - 7:27pm
I am 1 of a group of 70+- year-olds that enjoy cycling on the Continent. For several years, we have been taking our own bicycles. The tours have been immensely enjoyable, apart from the ordeal of getting airlines to carry the bicycles from Britain to the Continent. We have had outright refusals to carry them, or we have found when they did carry them that the bicycles had been damaged in transit, and of course, when we accepted that we must pack the bicycles in specialist holdalls, we have been discouraged by the cost and chore of storing the holdalls, &c.

This year, we tried the formula of getting a tour-operator to choose the route, provide the bicycles, book the hotels, carry one's luggage from hotel to hotel, &c. Result: good hotels and luggage-transport, but dismal routes and even more dismal bicycles. None of us will do that again....

What is the recommended way around this ? Send one's bicycles over by freight ? Take them on Eurostar ? Hire a bicycle at one's destination ? If the latter, can one return it to a depot other than the one from which one hired it ?

Re: Breathable cycle jacket

23 June 2015 - 7:00pm
I use Gore in the summer and an Endurra Stealth in the winter. Its expensive but worth the money. It has a warm lining otherwise I would use it all year. As close to 100% waterproof as you will get with venting zips which work very well

Re: Map reading - can anyone do this now?

23 June 2015 - 6:39pm
GPS must take a lot of fun out of getting lost.
I remember being on top of the Glyders in a white out and getting a suspicion we were going the wrong way. I got the compass out but had to ask whether the red end or the white end points north. We were going the wrong way, by 180 degrees.
Or being in the Cuilins in thick mist and again having an uneasy feeling. The rocks are often magnetic so the compass can't be relied on. We had to retrace our steps back and forth to pick up the main ridge again.
What larks.

Re: Map reading - can anyone do this now?

23 June 2015 - 6:03pm
I've always loved using maps and still do all of our cycle planning using OS.
As an OS Getamap (now superseded by OS Maps) user I plot a route and print it out to use on my bar bag.
All has worked well until last week in Worcestershire.
We'd followed the NCN routes through the city (confusingly marked as route 6, 45, 46 and 442 all at once) and came upon the start of Route 3 to get us east of the city. However, I misread the way the blue sign pointed and took the wrong road out. After 20 minutes or so, arriving at the A38 I realised I'd gone wrong, but couldn't for the life of me work out where we were (as it was off the bit I'd printed out).
There were a couple of road crews nearby, so I asked for assistance and they hadn't the foggiest idea where we actually were and couldn't work out a route using their Satnav ( ).
After some time on a ring road I found one local chap walking his dog who put us roughly in the right direction and some time later I was shocked to find ourselves back at the start of route 3 again. There I realised my mistake and managed to get us on track again.
As it was my birthday and Mrs. Copy hadn't bought me a present, I suggested that maybe it was time to invest in a GPS of some sort.
I've always been reluctant to buy one as I always imagined I'd be missing out on the surrounding features if slavishly following a purple line or whatever. Now I'm not so sure.

Re: Breathable cycle jacket

23 June 2015 - 5:41pm
A Paramo jackets sounds like it would suit you pretty well. They're very breathable and quite warm. Not the lightest or cheapest though.

Re: Breathable cycle jacket

23 June 2015 - 5:10pm
I had a dressmaker make me a yellow ventile jacket. Made to measure with no pockets. Full length zip, no lining. Best thing I've ever done re bikes.

Breathable cycle jacket

23 June 2015 - 5:05pm
Can anyone recommend a good jacket? Full zip front, windproof, showerproof with a little warmth -- but most of all, really breathable? I have a Gore Bike Wear Gortex one which is fine, but I'd like one in a slightly 'cosier' fabric. I've tried cheap ones which claim to be 'breathable' but aren't, (must sweat a lot I suppose) so get clammy inside. I'd be prepared to pay if I knew it was really going to work. Any ideas?

Re: Map reading - can anyone do this now?

23 June 2015 - 4:43pm
Everyone can get lost even those with high skillset in navigation. The real trick is what you do to relocate and solve the problem. When in the hills my first solution revolves around a time out. I seriously stop to have a drink, eat some food and just look around me. Then I get the map out again and compass perhaps even the GPS if I am carrying one. That break works to take your mind out of the pattern it had got into about where you are and you can go back to first principles with a fresh view on the situation. Plus the food/drink time gives you a rest so your mind stops panicking and you can actually think more rationally. Try it if you get lost in the wilds, it does work wonders. I learnt that myself through experience (that nearly resulted in an MRT call out). however I did read it later in an advice piece in a magazine by a MIC and some time MRT member.

I do agree a sat nav can make it all easier at times but it is all about tools right for the job. IMHO a map and a compass will always have a time and a place even if the format of them changes. Perhaps a flexible and thing screen one day with a built in compass may replace a paper (or now plastic) map and a separate baseplate compass.

I do think even the most committed GPS/sat navvers will admit to liking a well made map such as the OS series (even if it is on a computer screen).

Re: Map reading - can anyone do this now?

23 June 2015 - 4:34pm
simonineaston wrote:The ideal for me would be some sort of combo of the electric and the paper - there was a foldable A3 e-ink jobbie knocking around a few years ago - imagine one of them in colour and waterproof... with all your maps on! Oh Bliss!!
http://news.softpedia.com/news/LG-Devel ... 2222.shtml

It never went to market. E-Paper is struggling as consumers increasingly bought tablets instead of e-readers.


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