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Re: Unique Cycling Tour...Riders Wanted

12 March 2015 - 10:33am
If the bikes are in good condition before we start and we already have a couple of inner tubes and a spare tyre before we get going we shouldn't need much on the road.

Ah, different accounting styles. I take the sum of my outlay and divide it by the number of miles cycled so far.

So my newest bike is "costing me" 10p per mile just for the frame and forks at the moment.

The older bikes are down to near just the running costs which are nearer 5p/mile but if as you say you start off with a set of brand new consumables then you can mostly avoid outlay during the trip.

Is it "allowed" to exchange services for food? I have had opportunities on my travels to get a meal and board in return for some small job. This was once common practice in NZ.

Re: Unique Cycling Tour...Riders Wanted

12 March 2015 - 10:22am
beardy wrote:I think forty miles a day would average out at twice your budget for my cheapest bike!


Really? I haven't spent anything like that much. If the bikes are in good condition before we start and we already have a couple of inner tubes and a spare tyre before we get going we shouldn't need much on the road.

beardy wrote:A thought that I have looking at your plan is that a larger group will have to split any finds into smaller portions. To be more effective (hunter)gatherers you should possibly split up for stretches and take different routes in order to increase your foraging area.

Yep, that's the plan. Depending on where we are, someone fishing, someone looking along the shore, another a little inland, to get the best variety.

beardy wrote:The man who inspired this had 17 acres to feed just himself?

He did, but he didn't venture any further afield - we have 6,000 km of territory - and he had no sea fishing possibilities. He also didn't have £1 a day. It might not sound much but it will buy flour, salt, sugar, oil, stock cubes, etc. On the other hand, he also wasn't travelling 6,000 km.

beardy wrote:I remember seeing nice pickings in France but that would be mostly stealing, either from the edges of fields or overhanging trees.

Overhanging trees are fair game, but I won't trespass.

beardy wrote:Again one person can "get away with it" but taking to feed a group will be seen as more significant.

I've had a handful of people write to me to say they are interested but, aside from one of them, each has a reason why it might not be possible. If we're a group, we won't be a big group and I'm preparing myself for the possibility of doing the majority of this alone. I hope I don't have to though.

Re: Unique Cycling Tour...Riders Wanted

12 March 2015 - 9:06am
khain wrote:I'm sure there must be a way of linking a blog to Facebook, Twitter etc so you don't need to update them separately. It's something I've been meaning to look into.

If you use Wordpress there are plugins that will post to Twitter and facebook when you make a post.

But the Wordpress admin will not work on a crappy browser, you would need to enable posts by email. So you make the post as a email and send it to your blog.

Dave

Re: Tour of Brittany

11 March 2015 - 11:27pm
If you follow the suggestion of getting a train out west, I'd recommend booking on https://www.capitainetrain.com - it uses the same system as the SNCF website so ticket prices are identical, but it's much easier to book bike spaces. The Rennes to Brest train is a TGV so bikes will cost 10 euros and must be booked beforehand (tickets for you are also much cheaper if booked well in advance).

If you follow the coast very closely from Brest back to Saint Malo it could well be 300 miles. A few campsites may still be closed in May, but the majority will be open.

I really like the NW part of Brittany, it's much wilder than most parts of the coast with some fantastic scenery, but also a lot of hills! It's also the least sheltered place for bad weather coming in off the Atlantic...

I used this guidebook for a 2 week tour around the western end of Brittany a few years ago: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bretagne-Tour-R ... 841823997/ The route was good, basically following quiet roads as close as possible to the coast. It is only available in French though...

Re: Unique Cycling Tour...Riders Wanted

11 March 2015 - 10:58pm
khain wrote:Don't know how you'd access wifi though.

With the original Kindle (not sure about newer ones) you access the internet with their 'experimental' (i.e. rubbish) browser via Amazon's Whispernet, which means, unbelievably, it's free. The browser is almost unusable, unless of course you're trying to live on £1 per day.

khain wrote:I would try and get someone along with lots of foraging experience. Identifying plants and fungi can be tricky, even with a book, and a mistake will be costly. It's not something you want to be learning on the road when tired and hungry.

An expert would be great but we'll have to work with what we have. Besides, we won't come across many mushrooms given the time of year (except possibly wet north-west of Spain in early autumn). I'm aware of the old forager-bold forager rhyme. I won't take any chances.

khain wrote:I reckon £1 a day is doable if you can find wild camps every night, but that could be tricky along the coast, particularly in England and Wales. You'd be better heading up the Scandinavian or Scottish coast. Better fishing (maybe not Scotland) and wild camping is legal. I suspect you'll end up cycling much further than you intended each day simply because of a lack of camping places and the need to pitch after dark. Does the £1 include spares and repairs and ferry crossings?

Wild camping the whole way is the plan. Forget the legality. The fact that a human is not legally allowed to sleep in the open air is a law that I think should be broken en masse, like the mass trespass of Kinder Scott. It won't be the only illegal act. You're not allowed to fish in the sea in Spain and Portugal without a licence, and yet it will be impossible to get one. I appreciate the need for lake and river licences. The need for a sea licence is abhorrent. (This type of law isn't unique in Spain. If you want to produce your own solar electricity in Spain, you must be connected to the grid and pay tax on the electricity you yourself generate. Or pay a truly massive fine.)

I'm hoping to find a way to cross the Channel within our budget. I have a few possibilities. If none of them work out then it will have to be exempted. Bike spares are included in the budget.

khain wrote:I'm looking forward to reading about this. Despite all the enormous advances in living standards over the last few thousand years I'm by no means convinced that modern life is superior to that of a hunter-gathering existence, and almost certainly the lives of 99% of people living in Britain over the last few thousand years would have been worse. I suspect the hardest trial you'll have on the trip is simply finding a place to peacefully pitch your tent every night.

There's a certain romanticising about hunter-gathering, but I'm interested to see how my mood is affected when my main priority is finding food. Will the freedom of it all induce some sort of euphoria or will I be as depressed as George Orwell in Down and Out in Paris and London? Dunno. It's an experiment. I'll do my damnedest to get to the end regardless of how miserable it might become. But maybe it will be wonderful. I hope so.

Re: Moor to Sea Cycle Network - North Yorkshire Moors

11 March 2015 - 10:49pm
There is a map set in a plastic wallet you can buy for this route which from memory is pretty good.
http://www.northyorkmoors.org.uk/visiti ... le-network

I haven't actually cycled any of it though!
(It was an idea for an excursion on a holiday a few years back that was shelved)

Re: Cycle Touring Festival - May 2015 - Lancashire

11 March 2015 - 10:45pm
Gutted big time, my friend who was supposed to be going with me said he was buying a ticket decided to wait to see if they went cheaper....... now I am going on my own Billy bloody no mates! hopefully I will meet someone there! wonder if they allow dogs lol

Re: Is there a Round Britain route info thread?

11 March 2015 - 10:41pm
Hiya,

I leave for my round Britain and Ireland on the 3rd of July, I am happy to share my routes currently for my Garmin but happy to do a gpx conversion if someone wants them.

as per my post if you are interested in joining me for all or some of it let me know, ohh and I am doing round ireland at the same time!

just PM me if you want more info.

Re: Unique Cycling Tour...Riders Wanted

11 March 2015 - 10:35pm
I'm sure there must be a way of linking a blog to Facebook, Twitter etc so you don't need to update them separately. It's something I've been meaning to look into. You're right about solar not being up to much. I haven't used a dynamo but if you're just using a Kindle you shouldn't need much power. In fact a small solar panel would probably work. Don't know how you'd access wifi though.

I would try and get someone along with lots of foraging experience. Identifying plants and fungi can be tricky, even with a book, and a mistake will be costly. It's not something you want to be learning on the road when tired and hungry.

I reckon £1 a day is doable if you can find wild camps every night, but that could be tricky along the coast, particularly in England and Wales. You'd be better heading up the Scandinavian or Scottish coast. Better fishing (maybe not Scotland) and wild camping is legal. I suspect you'll end up cycling much further than you intended each day simply because of a lack of camping places and the need to pitch after dark. Does the £1 include spares and repairs and ferry crossings?

I'm looking forward to reading about this. Despite all the enormous advances in living standards over the last few thousand years I'm by no means convinced that modern life is superior to that of a hunter-gathering existence, and almost certainly the lives of 99% of people living in Britain over the last few thousand years would have been worse. I suspect the hardest trial you'll have on the trip is simply finding a place to peacefully pitch your tent every night.

Re: Lon Las Cymru - 4 or 5 days

11 March 2015 - 10:09pm
Been on that campsite 3 times. A nice segregated backpacking area and a great welcome.
With it being a Welsh speaking town, Caernarfon has its own marvellous flavour. I'm ashamed to say I can understand more in a bar in the Dordogne.

Re: Unique Cycling Tour...Riders Wanted

11 March 2015 - 10:01pm
Sweep wrote:I can thoroughly reccomend steven's previous book - one of the best cycling books i have ever read.**

Cheers, Sweep!

Sweep wrote:Isn't one of the conditions that you need to give consent to be filmed?

Originally, friends of mine were planning to travel down in a van with us filming the whole thing. That's fallen through for their own personal reasons. I will hopefully have a Go Pro and I'll film bits but it won't be the full length programme they were hoping to make. If someone wanted to come but absolutely refused to be filmed, then I'd find a way to include them.

Sweep wrote:** though am seriously concerned, after reading it, how this latest trip is going to be managed without beer.

Me too, me too.

Re: Unique Cycling Tour...Riders Wanted

11 March 2015 - 9:48pm
I can thoroughly reccomend steven's previous book - one of the best cycling books i have ever read.**

Unfortunately i won't be able to join you on this ride.

Isn't one of the conditions that you need to give consent to be filmed?

** though am seriously concerned, after reading it, how this latest trip is going to be managed without beer.

Re: When I flew with my bike this is what happened......

11 March 2015 - 9:39pm
Flew Stanstead to Lyon with easyjet last year, used a CTC bike bag and padding, fine on the way there, on the way back my front wheel was buckled a fair amount, although I didn't notice until I was back home
Joe

Re: Unique Cycling Tour...Riders Wanted

11 March 2015 - 8:52pm
Are you hoping to use the kindness of strangers along the route for showers/sofa surfing/warm meals?

I'm away touring until Oct, but if you're around the Liverpool area any time after that, all of the above will be available to you.

Re: Unique Cycling Tour...Riders Wanted

11 March 2015 - 8:43pm
khain wrote:Sounds very interesting. Will your blog have an RSS feed? I don't use Twitter or Facebook but would like to follow this. What technology will you be using to record the trip and how will you power it? What sort of daily mileage are you planning? Getting enough calories will be tough. Catching fish takes time and eating seaweed and nettles will soon get really tiresome. I've tried fishing/foraging on tour and at the end of the day you really want stodge. Still, if you've prepared mentally for a while it should be easier. Have you much foraging/fishing experience?

I'll probably just be posting to Facebook via my Kindle (no computer), so no real blog as I go but, if enough interesting things happen, there will be a book at the end of it. Maybe I can find a way programmatically to have the FB posts also recorded on my website to make it accessible to everyone. I want to keep technology to a minimum but I'll probably charge what I have via dynamo. None of the solar panel options seem to work well enough, unless you know otherwise.

It's 6,000 km in 100 days and so 60 km a day, giving plenty of time to forage and fish. And yes, I can imagine that there will be a few foods that I never eat again after this trip having got utterly sick of them on the road. I just want to see 1) if it's possible at all and 2) if it's actually enjoyable. I'm also looking forward to losing quite a bit of weight.

I've some foraging experience, more so here in Spain than in the UK, but I've a small stack of relevant Collins Gems from which to learn and I'll educate myself as much as possible before we begin. I've also done some fishing but I'm no expert.

Re: Unique Cycling Tour...Riders Wanted

11 March 2015 - 8:32pm
Sounds very interesting. Will your blog have an RSS feed? I don't use Twitter or Facebook but would like to follow this. What technology will you be using to record the trip and how will you power it?

What sort of daily mileage are you planning? Getting enough calories will be tough. Catching fish takes time and eating seaweed and nettles will soon get really tiresome. I've tried fishing/foraging on tour and at the end of the day you really want stodge. Still, if you've prepared mentally for a while it should be easier. Have you much foraging/fishing experience?

Re: Tour of Brittany

11 March 2015 - 5:59pm
Great place to cycle tour. I'm doing week long circuit with group of friends from St Malo in July. This will be a very leisurely trip, taking in some of the old green ways, ie canal towpaths, old railway lines, etc. This website shows the lot.

http://cycling.brittanytourism.com/

If you like the idea of the greenways there is a publishing company that has good range of books, great to set the scene -

http://www.reddogbooks.com/

And if you go here - http://cycle.travel/map - really good mapping site. The route we've mapped out is called 'Breton revision 3' - not sure whether you can access or not.

Brittany does have some hard hills and can be windy but lovely place. Our route takes in Mur de Bretagne same day as the tour finishes there, so will manage to catch some of the excitement!

Have a good trip.

Re: Unique Cycling Tour...Riders Wanted

11 March 2015 - 5:04pm
Heltor Chasca wrote:Here's a good read: http://www.theecologist.org/reviews/boo ... empel.html

I didn't fall out any trees today BTW, I ended up planting more instead. Where does that leave me on my book challenge?

I think I'll buy it anyway! [emoji1]

Thank you. I'm glad you survived. And yes, that's a very good book, the one that actually inspired this trip. Happy planting!

Re: Unique Cycling Tour...Riders Wanted

11 March 2015 - 4:59pm
Here's a good read: http://www.theecologist.org/reviews/boo ... empel.html

I didn't fall out any trees today BTW, I ended up planting more instead. Where does that leave me on my book challenge?

I think I'll buy it anyway! [emoji1]

Re: Tour of Brittany

11 March 2015 - 4:40pm
Another plus for the plan suggested above! May'll be a lovely time to go, once you've got your heads round the fact that either you will need to cycle through lots of rain, or else if not, you have been very lucky! As usual, when I read of such exploits, I am Green with envy! Might even go myself!!

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