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Re: First Tour

17 August 2014 - 10:25am
Ben@Forest wrote:I'm not sure electronic maps on a screen 4cm x 5cm is always enough. In the past two years I've twice been stopped by other (non-local) cyclists relying on GPS mapping to ask me if me I can confirm where they were. In both instances they were wrong as to where they believed they were. In that time I haven't been stopped by anyone carrying a paper map. I just don't think a tiny screen can show the surrounding landscape and the gamut of information available on a paper map which orientates you properly . And of course the 'largeness' of a paper map makes it easier to plot a a different and cycle-friendly route when the route originally selected turns out to be unexpectedly busy or you need to get to a village or town pronto. This is my opinion having used both.
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For me, the electronic/paper format is not relevant. It's the size (iPhone screen vs opened out paper map) that makes a big difference. On my phone I can tell exactly where I am; which can be really useful at an unsigned junction but is not much help when you are trying to navigate to somewhere e.g. 15 miles away - 'cos you just can't get the coverage and maintain detail/clarity (to even read the names).

So they both have their place.

However, I'm surprised at a GPS owner/user having to ask where they are. GPS is great at telling you where you are and I'd have expected the question to be "how do I get to ... (place 10+ miles away)".

Ian

Re: First Tour

17 August 2014 - 10:05am
I agree entirely with Ben@Forest. I find that when on tour maps are still needed, and at a decent scale as well. However, mnichols was writing about the future when perhaps we will have electronic maps offering a head up display with the possibility of an enormously wide screen (so you can plan for a long distance) and infinite zoom (so you can see exactly where that forest track come out). At that point my paper maps will be redundant, assuming of course the display has a battery life of several days.

As for being "not where you think you are". This has happened to me on very very minor roads when using paper maps. I know where I am to within less than a mile but not necessarily which road/track. This is where a GPS has been of help to me and saved me from a dead end this year. The road looked wrong versus what I saw on the map and where I thought I was. The GPS showed me I was on a parallel track leading nowhere.

None of this matters to those people who want to follow pre ordained routes. All they need to know is where the next turning is (not what they are missing and by-passing). To them the current technology is more than adequate.

Re: Round the World Tour at 61

17 August 2014 - 10:05am
I'm going to say yes. Sure I read a CGOAB journal along those lines, but can't remember which.

For what it's worth, I vote do it.

Round the World Tour at 61

17 August 2014 - 9:57am
Just a thought, has anyone in my age group (I'm 61) considered packing in work, selling up and riding off world wide, come back at 65 and collect your pension. I am so sick of my work I have considered it, but its a bold thing to do.

Re: First Tour

17 August 2014 - 9:43am
mnichols wrote:Paper is just a media.

Electronic maps are fine and have extra benefits - size, zoom in/out, navigation, search, compass, direction orientation, 3d view, street views, contact details, points of interest, links, booking facilities, etc

I can take multiple maps for the whole world in something the size of a pack of cards

I doubt my children will ever use a paper map. They will choose the media (currently paper v electronic) based on the pros and cons at the time

I'm not sure electronic maps on a screen 4cm x 5cm is always enough. In the past two years I've twice been stopped by other (non-local) cyclists relying on GPS mapping to ask me if me I can confirm where they were. In both instances they were wrong as to where they believed they were. In that time I haven't been stopped by anyone carrying a paper map. I just don't think a tiny screen can show the surrounding landscape and the gamut of information available on a paper map which orientates you properly . And of course the 'largeness' of a paper map makes it easier to plot a a different and cycle-friendly route when the route originally selected turns out to be unexpectedly busy or you need to get to a village or town pronto. This is my opinion having used both.

Re: First Tour

17 August 2014 - 8:09am
Hi Vantage

your first words , instead of "Tried and Failed" should be Tried and Learnt. well, seems you're doing that.
Well done for trying in the first place . i know endless amount of people that talk the talk but don't cycle the cycle.

as far as waterproofing goes i know what you mean. i've had a couple of pairs of Northfarce shoes at £100 a pair and had to send them back . i'm now using a pair of Meindls . so far so good but we'll see.
my Northfarce jacket is now leaking on the shoulders so it's gonna get a coat of Fabsil ASAP.
before i go on a tour i always reproof my bags and bag covers etc with Fabsil which seems to work.

good luck with attempt number 2 !

Bikerwaser

Budapest to Black Sea...EV6

17 August 2014 - 7:09am
A group of us are heading off in 10 days to follow Eurovelo 6 from Budapest to Constanta then down to Varna. We've done a fair amount of research re routes, hotels, and road surfaces but nothing beats personal experiences so has anyone ridden this in the last 2-3 years and willing to have a chat? PM me your phone number and when is convenient and I will call. Thanks!

Re: First Tour

16 August 2014 - 11:33pm
Regarding the Altura Arran panniers, I have a similar one (a 16) which works fine at the back, as the hook butts against a horizontal transverse rack strut (and the lower hook prevents movement in the other direction).

But for front racks, they seldom have struts in that (horizontal transverse) direction, nor vertically above the rail which the pannier hangs from. Nope, they tend to have struts pointing downwards. That's bad news for most panniers, as it's the part under the hook which is weak as it's either a moving piece (Ortlieb, Vaude) an elastic/spring fit (Altura 16/36 using the Rixon & Kaul Vario-Hooks) or non-existent (Alturas using the Rixen & Kaul red button system).

The rack pictured above compounds this by having curved corners - which will ease the Vario-Hooks open.

To prevent movement in the direction the lower hook is not facing, it might be worth adding hose clamps/jubilee clips wrapped around some layers of inner tube, to arrest the whole of one of the top hooks.

Re: Three Peaks by Brompton

16 August 2014 - 10:27pm
I take my hat off to you, the longest ride I have done on my Brompton was a (hilly for Leicestershire) 51 miles

Re: France: La Manche to Le Med -advice?

16 August 2014 - 10:17pm
Pete Jack wrote:France En Velo by Walsh and Reynolds: detailed description in English of St Malo to Nice.

Just got this, it's a terrific coffee table type book. Great photos. Now looking for a gpx route of this if anyone has it so I can ogle it on memory map in the dim winter evenings. Could be next years tour.

Re: Ten Bike Touring Convoy!

16 August 2014 - 10:12pm
Fantastic !

I wish you all a great time and safe journey !

Re: lake district route advice please

16 August 2014 - 8:06pm
hgtvelo, maybe the rail journey planner is trying to send you the long way round to windermere via Carlisle? If it's 2 hours to Lancaster there are trains from Lancaster to Windermere every hour or so (sometimes involving a quick change of trains at Oxenholme) and the journey time is under an hour.

If you are getting the direct train from Leeds to Lancaster via Skipton, they stop at Carnforth before Lancaster and that is closer to the Lake District.

Also, if you can get to Oxenholme (next main station from Lancaster down the main line), that has lots of trains and it's basically Kendal station in all but name. You could do a ride into the lakes from there without having to wait for the extra train to windermere.

Re: lake district route advice please

16 August 2014 - 7:39pm
Thanks for all replys

Was going to get train from leeds but might get it to Lancaster now as believe good route to Kendal from there, and looks like a 5hour trip to Windermere on train, only 2 to Lancaster

Re: Ten Bike Touring Convoy!

16 August 2014 - 7:39pm
Brilliant happy and safe travels to all of you.

Ten Bike Touring Convoy!

16 August 2014 - 6:05pm
Georgia’s Batumi was most definitely the place to meet other tourers!

Cycling along the beachfront from where I free-camped I’m whistled at by Holy + David, they’re cycling from England to Oz, whom in Turkey ‘picked up’ Tom, a Lithuanian cyclist on a two-year five continent tour, later we’re joined by Jose’, a Spanish who had previously met Tom - he's heading for Malaysia, then a few days later at the hostel we meet three Manchester lads, also cycling to Oz. Heading the same way we decide to ride out together, and on the second day out we met Marcal + Ingris, a Dutch couple presently in the third year of their tour, travelling in whichever direction they choose each day.

Here's the ten of us on a bridge making our way up the (extremely rough) Goderdzi 2025 metre pass.

Re: First Tour

16 August 2014 - 5:56pm
GPS, paper maps, compass, wrist watch are all tools in the tool box of navigation. Refusing to use one of them because it is old fashioned, or what ever is denying your self a tool to aid you finding your location.
GPS and paper have their pros and cons.
GPS, Pros, small, instant location, lots of storage space (depending on the model) Cons, needs batteries
Paper, Pros, Doesn't need batteries, more area visible. Cons, bulky.

I don't use a GPS cycling, I have one in my bag, in case of emergencies. I use paper, Just what I prefer.
Same when I am in the mountains, but I have a GPS in my rucksack, but I am not adverse to using it if the situation dictates, for example, when I was in a white out in Scotland, and there was a distinct possibility of walking over a cliff edge.
Each to there own though.

Neil

Re: First Tour

16 August 2014 - 5:21pm
Paper is just a media.

Electronic maps are fine and have extra benefits - size, zoom in/out, navigation, search, compass, direction orientation, 3d view, street views, contact details, points of interest, links, booking facilities, etc

I can take multiple maps for the whole world in something the size of a pack of cards

I doubt my children will ever use a paper map. They will choose the media (currently paper v electronic) based on the pros and cons at the time

Re: lake district route advice please

16 August 2014 - 5:16pm
Round Windermere, I think I'd be looking at the road past Gummer's How. Fabulous views back over the lake.

Re: Three Peaks by Brompton

16 August 2014 - 4:04pm
The longest Brompton day ride I have done is the Swansea Trivets 100 mile in 2013: door to door this came out at 113 miles. It takes a bit more energy than on the touring bicycle, but is equally comfortable.

Re: lake district route advice please

16 August 2014 - 2:45pm
cycleruk has the best option for a loop from Windermere. If you have done the route through to Wrynose a few times and want to vary it you can detour through Great Langdale (cracking pub there btw) rather than Little Langdale. This adds a few miles and a fair bit of extra climbing to the route but I think it's more scenic. I always make the detour when over that way.

Where are you getting the train from? You could always get the train to or from Foxfield instead (change at Carnforth or Lancaster and usually Barrow) which is on the coast at the start of the Duddon Valley (another cracking pub in Foxfield BTW). That is obviously a bit closer that Windermere to the area you want to be riding. Sadly trains are infrequent and Monday-Saturday only. A different option starting there would be to do a loop involving either Hardknott Pass or the Birker or Corney Fell roads (avoid Corney Fell during the week as it is a bit of a rat run).

I've walked over the Walna Scar Road. It is a lovely route but it is proper rough stuff territory, so I'd rule it out if you are after a road ride.

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