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Re: Reducing pannier weight

18 March 2015 - 7:50pm
matt2matt2002 wrote:Great tips here. Many thanks to everyone.
I am flying to Turkey in June so thought I would have the added twist of a luggage limit.

Amazingly it is 40 Kilo. ( bike separate weight allowance ). So its not weight that will be limiting my packing but size.
If its not the weight that gets you, its the volume!

Buy one of those large laundry bags - you can get 4 panniers and a few other bits in one - you'll look like a migrant but what the heck! cost is a couple of quid and it folds down small enough to sit in the bottom of a bag for the trip.

Re: Chainstays too short?

18 March 2015 - 7:33pm
RickH wrote:BeeKeeper wrote:What do you want panniers for?
or the road equivalent...


Because they keep the weight lower for better handling. Stuff can pretty much get flung in rather than carefully packed. They are quicker to put on and take off the bike. There is plenty spare capacity for stocking up with bulky beer and food near the end of the day. They don't take up space in the main triangle which I use for my 1.5L water bottle. There is space above the rear rack for my bulky but light tent and closed cell foam mat.

I don't need to strap anything to my handlebars. I like to be able to see the front wheel. But that's just a personal preference as most tourers seem to use bar bags.

Downsides for on road use? Panniers and racks are a bit heavier.

Re: Reducing pannier weight

18 March 2015 - 7:28pm
al_yrpal wrote:Weigh your clothes one by one and choose the lightest stuff its surprising with things like tee shirts and trousers what a massive overall saving can be made. Your shoe plan is spot on.

Al

I am not sure that taking massive overalls are going to help

(he..he....sorry al )

Re: Sustrans Routes

18 March 2015 - 7:25pm
Thanks Guys! It seems my suspicions may have some substance. Reminds me of the saying, 'if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is!' Sustrans, as you say is a nice idea. Looks like a little more research is needed with a good bit of flexibility built into the trip!

Re: Chainstays too short?

18 March 2015 - 7:04pm
BeeKeeper wrote:What do you want panniers for?
or the road equivalent...

(from this topic)

Rick.

Re: Reducing pannier weight

18 March 2015 - 7:00pm
Great tips here. Many thanks to everyone.
I am flying to Turkey in June so thought I would have the added twist of a luggage limit.

Amazingly it is 40 Kilo. ( bike separate weight allowance ). So its not weight that will be limiting my packing but size.
If its not the weight that gets you, its the volume!

Re: Chainstays too short?

18 March 2015 - 6:55pm
What do you want panniers for?

From http://www.whileoutriding.com/

Re: Chainstays too short?

18 March 2015 - 6:45pm
My Kinsesis Racelight also has 42cm chainstays & I can fit Ortlieb Back Rollers (40 l - on a Super Tourist DX Topeak rack) to clear my size 10 feet if I set the clips right so they hang beyond the back of the rack slightly, but do make the steering a little light depending on the weight in them. Front rollers (25 l) fit on the back with no problems.

Alternatively you can get an extensions to move panniers back (designed primarily for use with a child seat).

Rick.

Re: First two weeks tour in Europe in June: where?

18 March 2015 - 6:33pm
You can use a ferry to cross the river from Lisbon and then a short ride to the Parque Natural da Arrabida, which is one of Portugal's loveliest parks. It only rises to 500m so not too hilly and the coast has lots of little coves or bays. There is also a ferry from Setubal which takes you into Northern Alentejo which has wall to wall beaches.
You may have to reverse your steps to return, though with careful planning you should be able to do a circular ride back to Lisbon, getting the ferry from Montis perhaps, but there are a lot of motorways and busy roads to stay clear of.

I will be in Northern Portugal in May - will let you know what the weather is like!

Re: Chainstays too short?

18 March 2015 - 5:57pm
I think it depends on how much money you’ve got, and your priorities for spending it. A few years ago I did UK to Palermo – which is also majorly hilly – quite happily on a bog-standard 21-speed Raleigh hybrid, camping, so it’s quite doable. OTOH, if you want and can afford something fancier, go for it.

Re: Best saddle for touring

18 March 2015 - 5:29pm
Everyone always talks about how long it takes to break in a leather saddle, but that hasn't been my experience. I've now done about 7000km on my B17 and it was comfortable from day 1, but it hasn't really got any softer than when I bought it. I am quite careful about protecting it from the rain and I've put some Proofide on it a couple of times.

Re: Reducing pannier weight

18 March 2015 - 5:15pm
Ferial wrote:I Follow the rule of 1 on, 1 for spare and 1 in the wash. Light weight, quick-dry clothes + a tangier stove to save on meals. I survived 6 weeks through France & Spain like this.

Best tip so far [emoji471] Similar system I used when a backpacker. The only time it didn't work was one area on the Moçambican border where you had to carry your own firewood in! [emoji31]

Re: Berwick-upon-Tweed to Hawick - best route and how hard?

18 March 2015 - 4:26pm
Just a quick look at BikeHikeUK shows me that I would pick the A698 for Coldstream then Kelso, then keep on it through Denholm to Hawick.

44miles and only 1,800ft of total ascent ............... seems like a nice ride. 3hrs or so?
Both Berwick and Hawick are nice towns.

Re: Reducing pannier weight

18 March 2015 - 4:23pm
I Follow the rule of 1 on, 1 for spare and 1 in the wash. Light weight, quick-dry clothes + a tangier stove to save on meals. I survived 6 weeks through France & Spain like this.

Re: Berwick-upon-Tweed to Hawick - best route and how hard?

18 March 2015 - 4:00pm
Limited choice from Hawick south really, but the B6399 to Newcastleton is a nice road and pretty quiet. From Newcastleton you can either stay on the B road or take the minor road to the border at Kershopefoot and then take your pick of the minor roads on to Carlisle

Re: Best saddle for touring

18 March 2015 - 3:56pm
They only really hurt for the first 500 miles.

(or was that 5,000).

Re: Best saddle for touring

18 March 2015 - 3:32pm
Thank you everyone who replied, I have made my decision and bought Brooks B17s yesterday, cant wait to try it out!

Re: Chainstays too short?

18 March 2015 - 2:35pm
What kind of touring?

I'm thinking of UK to Turkey, which is majorly hilly. This bike might not be the answer.

Re: Berwick-upon-Tweed to Hawick - best route and how hard?

18 March 2015 - 2:13pm
I've looked into the B-road route that rualexander recommended and it looks perfect; thanks very much. Thinking about my route back again and starting to wonder if it wouldn't be more fun to go onto Carlisle and return home from there by train, rather than retracing my steps. Don't suppose anyone has any tips about that part of the route (Hawick to Carlisle, avoiding nasty A roads, etc)? Will be a fair bit more hilly, I can see!

Re: Reducing pannier weight

18 March 2015 - 11:06am
A tip I read from a seasoned traveller/holidaymaker, is to take less luggage but more money.

Forget your panniers, just take a credit card.

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