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Re: Trail A Bike For Tourer?

13 November 2014 - 2:50pm
Heltor Chasca wrote:Good thinking Ian. Clever and simple.

To be the devil's advocate: I was surprised at how much lateral force there was (pressure from the left & right) once my daughter was "on board". We had to come up with a Mark II version to keep the hitch still. It was flexing the rack stays to a point where eventually, through metal fatigue, they would have given up. Just something to check.

That sorted we have had some great trips out. It is also the daily school run transport. Life is tough huh?

Good luck with it................hc


Good point in the weight from swaying. The tag along I will be getting will have the saddle, handlebars and bottom bracket removed. I will be fitting two racks to it for panniers. I will also look into making another more stronger bracket for it. I will see about putting a plate across and bolting it in place for the extra support.
Thanks for the heads up.

Re: Trail A Bike For Tourer?

13 November 2014 - 2:41pm
Good thinking Ian. Clever and simple.

To be the devil's advocate: I was surprised at how much lateral force there was (pressure from the left & right) once my daughter was "on board". We had to come up with a Mark II version to keep the hitch still. It was flexing the rack stays to a point where eventually, through metal fatigue, they would have given up. Just something to check.

That sorted we have had some great trips out. It is also the daily school run transport. Life is tough huh?

Good luck with it................hc

Re: panniers panniers panniers???

13 November 2014 - 2:40pm
foxyrider wrote:They are waterproof not watertight - its easy to confuse the two - Packers are waterproof - wet could get in potentially as the top of the bag is open , Rollers are watertight - in theory, if they are sealed properly no wet can get in (or out).



As you say in theory. In practice I have never repeat never had water get into my Backpackers or Sportspackers. You can count Monsoon Rain in the Far East and weeks of torrential rain in Europe as conditions they have endured.

Re: panniers panniers panniers???

13 November 2014 - 1:27pm
bikepacker wrote:Most of the pannier threads end up being an argument of preference, mainly between Ortlieb and Carradice. Fourteen years ago I swopped my Carradice for Ortliebs after all my gear got soaked (I know all the could have put it in plastic bag replies so don't bother) and would no longer use anything else. Where some posters get bikepackers are not waterproof from I will never know. I tour for around 5 months of the year and have been in some of the most torrential rain known (I was near the Tormalet when it got washed away last year) yet not the slightest hint of a leak.

If you want to see my set up and gear list look on my website.

They are waterproof not watertight - its easy to confuse the two - Packers are waterproof - wet could get in potentially as the top of the bag is open , Rollers are watertight - in theory, if they are sealed properly no wet can get in (or out).

I prefer Rollers as they are so easy to use, no flaps, straps or drawstrings to worry about and i have had instances of flooding washing over my bags - anything less than watertight and the contents would've been floating! I don't double bag for waterproofness but for organization.

Re: panniers panniers panniers???

13 November 2014 - 8:56am
bikepacker wrote:Where some posters get bikepackers are not waterproof from I will never know.
They will let the water in if you come off in a greasy ford, or after hitting a submerged pothole, and leave the bike on its side in the water whilst you inspect your injuries. That's about the only situation.

Re: North Sea route - Rotterdam to Esbjerg

13 November 2014 - 8:18am
The website for the Texel-Vlieland crossing is in Dutch but I had a very helpful response in English when I emailed about using the crossing with recumbent trikes.
We decided that it was a no go on our trikes, very disappointing as I was looking forward to that crossing.
We cycled over the Afsluitdijk instead. A lovely sunny day with a tail wind - easy riding, but the biting insects were a pest!

Re: panniers panniers panniers???

13 November 2014 - 7:52am
Thanks for the post's and ALAN LORD your bike packer page was vet useful thanks.

Re: North Sea route - Rotterdam to Esbjerg

13 November 2014 - 4:45am
Hopping the Dutch Wadden Isles:

Den Helder (mainland) to Texel
- every 1/2 hour;

Texel - Vlieland
- crossing partly by boat, partly by truck.
In high season twice a day, reservation (mail or phone) with bike needed (7 days before), rather expensive (€ 27,- including bike (2014)), but adventurous. Website (only Dutch)

Here a site with a complete overview of al the crossings (just in Dutch)

From every island you can go back to the mainland.
Have fun.

Re: Show your touring bikes !!!!

13 November 2014 - 4:29am
My Condor Heritage in China.

Re: panniers panniers panniers???

13 November 2014 - 1:19am
Ortieb back roller changed my life about 20 years ago.
Light,simple and compact (no pocket please) easy to fix (2 seconds) and waterproof.
I'm now in Laos and had hard rain for 2 days,non stop,but no worries..
benoît

Re: panniers panniers panniers???

13 November 2014 - 12:07am
tyreon wrote:I'm not sure who is doing all this 'riding in the rain'. Yes,for an hour. Yes,for two hours. Longer,and I shelter. All day and I give up and stay in shelter or accommodation until it passes. I don't think there's a need for these Ortlieb jobs: its overkill. A Carradura type pannier will keep out most downfall,unless you're in Burma in the wet season,I guess. I don't like the plasticated look of the Ortliebs,nor 'em having no pockets. Having then said enough to hang myself,4 days forcaste of heavy, consistent rain: I move on by train,or return home! I refuse to cycle thru 4 days of torrential rain... and the alternative of spending 4 days trapped in a hostel,tent or hotel room is just a killer.No longer made o the hard stuff. Don't think I ever was! Come to think of it....am beginning to wonder where 'real men' have gone

I prefer cycling in sunny weather. But I also really enjoy touring in the rain. Everyone is different but I think many people like touring in bad weather.

If you tour in the rain you can still stay comfy if you are organised and have a good tent. One of the most important things is to keep your gear dry and that is why I have waterproof panniers. I think you have a good choice of panniers today. I happen to use ortlieb and they are great. One pair I bought for a tour in 1990 and they are still fine although I replaced them a few years ago because I prefer the new hooks.

Re: North Sea route - Rotterdam to Esbjerg

12 November 2014 - 9:59pm
I did the North Sea route from Zeebrugge to Delftzil a month ago and could practically write a book about it so rather than launch in, if you want to give me some pointers to what you want to know I'll try and answer the questions.

Re: North Sea route - Rotterdam to Esbjerg

12 November 2014 - 9:08pm
Dutch, German and Danish islands Peter!

hopefully there will be a new service to Esbjerg starting next spring - word is out1

Re: panniers panniers panniers???

12 November 2014 - 9:08pm
I got the biggest Altura's and have used them for 5+ years. I always thought they where waterproof but I wrap everying in plastic bags anyway. Biggest is not always best unless you really need to. You will end taking the kitchen sink otherwise.

Re: Map(s) of Wales

12 November 2014 - 8:54pm
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Sustrans has a new series of pocket maps which now cover the whole of Wales. They're not quite as pretty as the older single-route series but they're very practical. You can get the whole set for £20: http://www.sustrans.org.uk/shop/route-m ... wales-pack

I used this series of maps in the summer when cycling from Cornwall to Worcestershire. I thought they we good, the quiet roads were highlighted and hills shown. Not quite as clear as OS maps but I managed to navigate using them without problems. They don't show campsites but I manually marked these on. The maps aren't printed on waterproof paper so a map case is certainly recommended.

Re: Oban to Stonehaven

12 November 2014 - 8:38pm
The roads around Oban, not sure to which you are referring but avoid the A82 south of fort william ( not that you will be going that way ) as it is not very pleasant. The main road heading east out of Oban can get busy but nothing bad. I'm sure others will be along with more info.

"even an educated "forget it!" as its not worth it"

I can give you an educated it is worth it!! Once you fall in love with Scotland and its people and scenery on your first visit you will want to go back.

For a few gems, if you have time, try heading to Rannoch Moor ( get the train it's easier!) , that will blow you away. Whilst in Oban try some of the islands. Mull is close and awesome. Cycling around Fort William stunning scenery.

Jura is excellent if you are heading that way. As for more gems the place is overloaded with them. Best advice is go and enjoy!

Oh and watch the midges if you are ever there in summer!

Re: Bristol to Reading - on road bikes?

12 November 2014 - 8:25pm
I'd concur with andrew_s, just after Devizes (my home town) isn't great, I'd want to be on 30 or 32 cyclocross tyres to do that bit. If it's wet you won't do it on road tyres, sorry don't know that much after Devizes but from Bristol all ok other than puncture risk on certain parts.

Regards,

Gary
www.longbikeride.co.uk

Oban to Stonehaven

12 November 2014 - 7:52pm
Hi All

My first post here. Just found this wealth of information and its fair to say I am chuffed.

I am fairly new to cycling and managed to enjoy every one of the 2000 miles I did this year, mainly sportives and a few solo 100 mile rides and the touring aspect really appeals.

i am planning a cycle from Oban to Stonehaven early in the spring and would really appreciate any help with the route. The stories regarding the main road near Oban scare me a bit. I was hoping there may be a few hidden gems out there or even an educated "forget it!" as its not worth it.

Thanks in advance.

Re: Planning My First Tour

12 November 2014 - 6:21pm
One last thing to be aware of. I have twice not finished a tour when I by myself. This is just silly and having reflected on it I should have taken a rest and maybe moved by public transport to somewhere more enjoyable. Once I was in Spain and it was just intolerably hot by 11 in the morning and another time I was on the Massif Central and had had enough of being rained on.

In France I hopped on a train -one of the most beautiful train rides I've ever done from Le Puy to Ales - and in a few hours was far enough South to have moved into a better climate zone ( and to scare the hell out of my boyfriend who I was cycling down to join). This was a reasonable solution. The other time I flew back from Madrid when I could have just found a reasonably priced hotel and chilled out there for a few days (I think I was homesick that time). Anyway don't worry if it happens to you, just remember it won't be a crisis if you head to a beach in the south of France for a few days and chill out and listen to people talking english in a bar. You can pick up the tour when you are ready, it's a holiday not an endurance test.

Re: Trail A Bike For Tourer?

12 November 2014 - 2:26pm
Hi, I have just read this thread and I am doing the same but I am changing the tag along into a pannier carrier. TYo hitch it on my bike, I have to raise the seat but that is uncomfortable for me so I have made a rack hitch with a seat post that I had laying around.


I can lift the bike up with the post as it is. The trailer bike is being delivered next tuesday. It should clear the panniers on the bike.

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