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Re: Cycling to Axbridge from Bristol

1 hour 12 min ago
mjr wrote:The first part of the route's not too bad (basically NCN33 to Backwell), but the B3133 is a pretty nasty rat-run to the airport, isn't it? Unless feeling reasonably quick and brave, I'd turn right into Stowey Park before the B3133, then third left into Well Lane, nearly straight over into Church Road, and left at the end onto Chescombe Road, turning left onto NCN 26 at its end.

I'll give that a go next time I'm out that way, what's the surface like after Chescombe Rd/Biddle St?

Not sure that the B3133 is used to get to the airport. From the M5 either A38 or A370 then Brockley Combe Rd are the usual routes.

Re: Default tourer?

2 hours 7 min ago
Sweep wrote:PH wrote:reohn2 wrote:So far we've one person complaining it's a 'slug' but until we know what he's it's comparing it to we don't know how valid that complaint is,everyone else seems to be happy with theirs,which seems to back up the fact that it's a very good tourer.

The answer is in his blog, very nice bikes they are too.
I fond the LHT to be, well not a slug, but certainly very steady (Yes...subjective) for the riding I was using it for I liked that. The Hewitt by comparison (Even more subjective) feels quite sprightly. The hard facts from the computer showed I was just as slow on either
Would you reckon that the Hewitt would be the equal of the LHT for expedition touring?

Depends on your expedition. If you were planning on spending months in the most desolate of areas with unmade roads and having to carry several days supply of food and water, plus the kit to cover all eventualities, the Hewitt might be up to it but IMO the 26” version of the LHT would be a better bet. I think that’s part of the dream that the LHT sells, for the vast majority of cycle tourers the reality is different, a couple of week at a time, not that far off the beaten track, for which the Hewitt is more than enough.
The other sad part of the reality is that for every touring mile I do, there's a hundred miles riding to work and the shop and out with the CTC and... For most people the touring mileage will be a small part of the bikes use, they'd be better off choosing a bike based on that fact.

Re: Default tourer?

2 hours 43 min ago
Perhaps this thread should be retitled Default Expedition Tourer? I've never seen an LHT in the flesh. ride with your local Ctc section and you'll find that Galaxies, Panoramas, Thorns and Hewitts still dominate.

Re: Default tourer?

2 hours 54 min ago
reohn2 wrote:VO Disc,the rear seatstay yolk and front fork crown look a bit PlanetX ie; industrial to my eye

Agreed. I really like the seatstay yolk on my P7, which is sort of similar, but this is just not right to my eyes. The forks are also like the old P7 (F8?) segmented forks, yet straight and with the Salsa Anything mounts added. All bit of a hodge-podge bodge (hotch-potch botch?) to me. Not your usual VO at all, but I think their 'Crazy Bar' (take on H-bars, I suspect) pointed at a slight diversification happening.

I just had a look at the Vivente site, and in that they don't show the bikes until you click on bike images, hints at them selling the 'idea' (along with the flags and fonts at the top) more than the bike, and perhaps low confidence in the bikes' visual look. Likewise, that there's really only 1 pic of each, and those slathered in accessories so you can't really see the bike supports this. Perhaps it's an operation started on a low-mid budget by an enthusiast/traveller though, which the 'mechanic's corner' hints at to me, so I should not judge too harshly. Good on'em.

Re: Default tourer?

3 hours 24 min ago
VO Disc,the rear seatstay yolk and front fork crown look a bit PlanetX ie; industrial to my eye

Re: Default tourer?

3 hours 30 min ago
RonK
According to Vivente's site their WT isn't better specced than the LHT,I'd say their about the same,but it does come 'fully loaded'(quality dynamo lighting,Tubus racks and m/guards) and seems like a nice bike.
Their site tells me I can have one shipped to me in the UK for £1820(no shipping cost).
That's not a bargain,I could buy a DT @ £1100 from here:- http://www.ukbikestore.co.uk/product/34 ... -bike.html and 'load' it myself to the same spec or better ie; dynamo,racks and m/guards etc,for an extra £400.

Re: Default tourer?

4 hours 7 min ago
PH wrote:Without too much research these would be on the shortlist, I'm not looking for another bike...
Hewitt Cheviot (My current steel tourer and I have no intention of changing it)
VO Campeur
SOMA Saga
Ridgeback Panorama
Spa Tourer
Some of the Jamis bikes sold by Evans
Genesis Tour de Fer
And lastly, the Surly Crosscheck, I know a couple of people who tour on them and rate them.

Have you seen the pics of the new Disc VO?


http://velo-orange.blogspot.co.uk/2014/ ... llany.html

Those dropouts suggest same factory as the Saga Disc to me.

http://www.somafab.com/archives/product ... -frame-set

If wanting to consider CX type frames in this list (as per Cross Check, being kinda pseudo CX themed), then the Soma Double/Triple Cross would be nice.

With regards to the Cross Check though, and in extension other CX themed bikes, I'd hazard a suggestion that they're less widespread due to them being a bit more focussed- the geo being less expedition oriented. Apart from anything else, the chainstays are shorter- as I've previously mentioned somewhere around here, am struggling with mudguards for the Straggler, which is essentially a disc Cross Check, which doesn't bode well for a prolonged tour, surely? OK, that is hobbit size frame, and larger sizes don't suffer so, but still, with bigger frames come bigger feet, and things could get interferingish down there perhaps.

Re: Default tourer?

4 hours 20 min ago
RonK wrote:Ah, so some of you have discovered I have a Sabbath Silk Route.

Your response presupposes I had a preference for Ti. In fact I had never ridden a Ti bike and I knew nothing about Ti other than what I could read on the internet. And since there are precious few other tourer offerings locally other than the Vivente World Randonneur, the best option was to buy a frame and build my own. I took a risk on the Sabbath frame which was at the time new on the market but affordable. The punt payed off in spades, and I'll be departing with it for a third tour in March.

To conclude I have a preference for Ti is not correct. I have a preference for bikes that satisfy my requirements.
So what makes the Sabbath a good bike?
And what makes the LHT a slug?

So far as the LHT is concerned, it's a frame made in Asia from 4130 tubing and assembled with reasonable but inexpensive components. How can it possibly be better that any other similar constructed bike. The answer is quite simply that it can't be and it isn't
I agree about the frameset there are a few similar as I posted up thread.But comparing it to the Sabbath what are the differences in the two framesets?

The local product I mentioned earlier (the VWR) is a similarly constructed bike, made in Asia from the same 4130 tubing, same geometry and design even down to the spare spoke holders, and at a guess made in the same factory, but it has a superior component and feature list which includes a disc brakes, dynamo hub and lighting, mudguards and Tubus rack. At around the same price it beats the LHT hands down for value, and is selling strongly here. I recommended one for my brother, he's very happy with it.
That sounds like a bargain,I'll look them up.

Re: Default tourer?

6 hours 2 min ago
PH wrote:reohn2 wrote:So far we've one person complaining it's a 'slug' but until we know what he's it's comparing it to we don't know how valid that complaint is,everyone else seems to be happy with theirs,which seems to back up the fact that it's a very good tourer.

The answer is in his blog, very nice bikes they are too.
I fond the LHT to be, well not a slug, but certainly very steady (Yes...subjective) for the riding I was using it for I liked that. The Hewitt by comparison (Even more subjective) feels quite sprightly. The hard facts from the computer showed I was just as slow on either
Would you reckon that the Hewitt would be the equal of the LHT for expedition touring?

Default tourer?

10 hours 50 min ago
reohn2 wrote:PH wrote:http://wheelswhisper.blogspot.co.uk/2010/10/sabbath-silk-route-project.html

As I posted before he prefers Ti.
What's new?
Ah, so some of you have discovered I have a Sabbath Silk Route.

Your response presupposes I had a preference for Ti. In fact I had never ridden a Ti bike and I knew nothing about Ti other than what I could read on the internet. And since there are precious few other tourer offerings locally other than the Vivente World Randonneur, the best option was to buy a frame and build my own. I took a risk on the Sabbath frame which was at the time new on the market but affordable. The punt payed off in spades, and I'll be departing with it for a third tour in March.

To conclude I have a preference for Ti is not correct. I have a preference for bikes that satisfy my requirements. As such, my second venture into Ti bikes was not a success. I don't like the Van Nicholas Pioneer much at all. The Rohloff is noisy, overrated and overpriced. You can read my thoughts about that on my blog too. It's been a failed experiment into flat bars and internally geared hubs. It also will likely be replaced.

So far as the LHT is concerned, it's a frame made in Asia from 4130 tubing and assembled with reasonable but inexpensive components. How can it possibly be better that any other similar constructed bike. The answer is quite simply that it can't be and it isn't

The local product I mentioned earlier (the VWR) is a similarly constructed bike, made in Asia from the same 4130 tubing, same geometry and design even down to the spare spoke holders, and at a guess made in the same factory, but it has a superior component and feature list which includes a disc brakes, dynamo hub and lighting, mudguards and Tubus rack. At around the same price it beats the LHT hands down for value, and is selling strongly here. I recommended one for my brother, he's very happy with it.

Re: Touring wheels

12 hours 32 min ago
molzor wrote:no never broken a spoke, but i dont really fancy it happening! i was using 28mm tyres before but apparently theres room for 32s with no mud guards. i guess this would be fine in the warmer months. do you think this would be a worthwhile swap?

its not just broken spokes - also cracking rims. i only noticed the cracks in my rear mavic x138 by accident - no broken spokes, some sun caught on the rim as i was sat on some grass. so need a good solid rim at the rear atleast

Re: Default tourer?

21 December 2014 - 10:47pm
PH wrote:http://wheelswhisper.blogspot.co.uk/2010/10/sabbath-silk-route-project.html

As I posted before he prefers Ti.
What's new?

Re: Touring wheels

21 December 2014 - 10:25pm
Drifter wrote:I know exactly where the OP's coming from. I've got 36 spoke wheels but they're not great quality, although they've never gave me any reason to worry, I'd rather get a better wheel set now than get caught out on tour. I was thinking xt hubs, mavic 719 rims and good quality spokes x 36.
A good choice for you but not the OP's narrow (in touring terms) tyres. Wide touring rims and narrowish tyres are a poor combination. If I were the OP and was buying a set of touring wheels I'd call up my shop of choice and ask their advice on rims suitable for the tyres I wanted to run. Back when I still rode 28mm tyres I did just that and ended up with wheels built with 36h Chrina rims (I think) from Spa Cycles. They were faultless, but sadly I discovered the joy of wider tyres so another trip to Harrogate was soon in order.

Re: Default tourer?

21 December 2014 - 10:00pm
reohn2 wrote:RonK wrote:reohn2 wrote:So following on from all this speculation,has anyone had an LHT or DT,thought they weren't good bikes and why?
Yes, I had an LHT which was replaced after one tour. Apart from the appalling finish which had rust appearing after only a few months, I found it a dull, unresponsive, unrewarding ride - a real slug.

What did you replace it with?

http://wheelswhisper.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... oject.html

Re: Touring wheels

21 December 2014 - 9:08pm
I know exactly where the OP's coming from. I've got 36 spoke wheels but they're not great quality, although they've never gave me any reason to worry, I'd rather get a better wheel set now than get caught out on tour. I was thinking xt hubs, mavic 719 rims and good quality spokes x 36.

Re: Default tourer?

21 December 2014 - 9:00pm
PH wrote:The answer is in his blog, very nice bikes they are too.
It ain't,just that he prefers Ti.
I fond the LHT to be, well not a slug, but certainly very steady (Yes...subjective) for the riding I was using it for I liked that. The Hewitt by comparison (Even more subjective) feels quite sprightly. The hard facts from the computer showed I was just as slow on either
Amazing innit,sometimes a bike that feels fast ain't when the numbers are totted up,I've had the same experience,which caused me to sell a bike almost 3kg lighter than my Vayas but nowhere near as comfy.

Re: Default tourer?

21 December 2014 - 8:17pm
reohn2 wrote:So far we've one person complaining it's a 'slug' but until we know what he's it's comparing it to we don't know how valid that complaint is,everyone else seems to be happy with theirs,which seems to back up the fact that it's a very good tourer.

The answer is in his blog, very nice bikes they are too.
I fond the LHT to be, well not a slug, but certainly very steady (Yes...subjective) for the riding I was using it for I liked that. The Hewitt by comparison (Even more subjective) feels quite sprightly. The hard facts from the computer showed I was just as slow on either

Re: Default tourer?

21 December 2014 - 7:23pm
PH wrote:
I didn't say it was a bad 'un.
I didn't say you did.
There's presently 3 bikes and 1 frame for sale on this forum, bikes described as "As new", "Nearly new" "used one tour", not a scientific sample, but I'd still suggest the proportion of people who are buying and not keeping is quite high compared to other bikes. In contrast, there's currently only 1 Galaxy for sale on the forum and that's a Ti version. I don't know the figures, but I'd be surprised if the LHT outsold the Galaxy, if for no other reason than the Dawes availability.
I can't disagree with that,but it's a snapshot in time,though one or two LHT's do come up on the forum sales board.


Without too much research these would be on the shortlist, I'm not looking for another bike...
Hewitt Cheviot (My current steel tourer and I have no intention of changing it)
VO Campeur
SOMA Saga
Ridgeback Panorama
Spa Tourer
Some of the Jamis bikes sold by Evans
Genesis Tour de Fer
And lastly, the Surly Crosscheck, I know a couple of people who tour on them and rate them.

And all quite similar framesets to the LHT other than the LHT has a horizontal TT,the geometry is similar on most.
What I'm trying to get at is why is the LHT so popular,maybe it isn't top dog in the UK but in the US or globally even it comes up near the top.
Someone posted up thread (you(?))that they may have been introduced at just the right time in the US and got a good name,and once established is hard to shift of it's perch,much as the Galaxy used to.
Though TBH the spec for the standard LHT is very good for the price point.

So far we've one person complaining it's a 'slug' but until we know what he's it's comparing it to we don't know how valid that complaint is,everyone else seems to be happy with theirs,which seems to back up the fact that it's a very good tourer.

Re: TOURING 2015

21 December 2014 - 6:43pm
Yeah thats right all the way down west france is routed with cycle paths. its really nice but they arent at all the quickest. it seems cycle paths are for winding around leisurely in france, not always the best if you have to get somewhere!

From bordeaux down to the border of spain was so flat you barely had to push, easy but can get a little boring. once you get to spain the whole landscape changes and the hills can be tough (i had completed the wrong gearing set up to be riding up hills with panniers) but with them you do get beauty, so its always worth it in the end

Re: Default tourer?

21 December 2014 - 5:44pm
simonhill wrote:I have been following this thread because I have an LHT. My comments are half way down page 2.

I find it all rather amusing with people doing all the comparisons. Unfortunately this is a luxury that many (most) of us can't do. I don't have a stock of bikes in my shed, so can't say how they compare to an LHT. I think the majority of people are in my situation. I chose this bike based on recommendations and now ride it. Maybe if I trawled the bike shops and got them to lend me different bikes for short tours I would find my bike is rubbish and would change it.

As far as I am concerned it seems OK to me. As I said I have toured on it a lot, I tour for about 5 months a year, then use the bike for local stuff.

If you're happy with it, you're happy with it, there isn't anything to take away from that. Equally if other people are not so happy with it why wouldn't they make comparisons with other bikes they'd owned or tried, I don't see what's amusing about that!
So much of it's subjective anyway, I had a Thorn Raven, a bike that has lots of happy owners and although the bike was comfy and never let me down in any way, I never really liked it. I'm interested to hear of others experience, but it is what it is and I have no expectation that mine will necessarily be the same.

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