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Re: Coed Y Brenin

CTC Forum - MTB - 6 hours 49 min ago
Dwi'n dod Cearfyrddin, gwiboi - felly dwi'n 'get' Cymru.

You are defending antisocial tightwads who are happy to enjoy a facility but can't be bothered to make a reasonable and nominal contribution to that facility's upkeep.

A one day coast to coast

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 17 September 2014 - 11:54pm
Hi All,
I'm planning on a coast to coast next June, a load of my friends want to do it too so I need to be super organised! As we'll stay in a Travelodge on the Friday night before, and the Saturday night once we're done, I really want to get the basics sorted by the end of October so that I can book the rooms etc.

Here is the proposed route taking in a bit of the TdF route from York to Skipton:
Scarborough - York - Harrogate - Skipton - Preston - Lytham St Annes

People will be on a mixture of Road bikes, Tourers and Mountain Bikes (with road tyres). I'm going to organise it so that we only travel in groups of 3 or 4 so we don't block the traffic too much, and that we stop a few times so that everyone can socialise a bit.

This is the basic schedule:
Meet at Marine Drive, Scarborough to watch the sun rise then set off in groups of 3 or 4 leaving on a staggered start basis.

The daylight lasts 17 hours and trip is 133 miles so this is NOT a race… We only need to achieve an average speed of 8mph.

The stops I am suggesting are:
1. On 42 miles – York Tesco Extra, York YO30 4XZ
2. On 80 miles at Skipton Morrisons, Skipton BD23 1RT
3. On 110 miles at Blackburn Boddington Arms - Fayre & Square, Blackburn BB2 7LE

The end will be at North Promenade, Lytham St Annes where everyone will meet up to watch the sun set.

This site was invaluable when I organised a JOGLE in 2011 and a Great Yarmouth to Bicester in 2013. Any advise with be gratefully received, be it route, stops, or whatever.

Many thanks in advance,

Re: Wrong way up a one way street.

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 September 2014 - 11:38pm
Fair (and obvious) point on the "wrong" end of one-way streets. It's getting late... However, putting No (Motor) Vehicles there would not be an option. That would be a sensible place for No Entry (Except cycles) if there were a cyclist contra-flow - but then my point that No Entry warns the excepted cyclist to expect to encounter vehicles immediately would apply.

I was trying to say that you can't swap "No Motor Vehicles" for "No Entry (Cyclists excepted)" because the first allows horse-drawn vehicles and the second doesn't. Sorry if that wasn't clear. Obviously, if the sign were "No Vehicles", then neither cars nor bikes nor horse-drawn carts could enter.

Re: Wrong way up a one way street.

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 September 2014 - 11:21pm
Mostly agree. Two points:
- One of if not the most common use of a no entry sign is to sign one end of a one-way street. They are also often used to create "false" one-way streets of normal bi-directional roads; through traffic is effectively prohibited from travelling the length of the street in one direction

-Horse drawn vehicles are vehicles and covered by the "no vehicles" sign

Re: Non driving cyclists

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 September 2014 - 11:16pm
BearOnWheels wrote:You can turn DRLs off on most cars - I am aware of three very different vehicles that I look after, all have DRLs and they can be turned off via a control panel.
I ALWAYS keep them on simply for insurance reasons. On the accident report form..'did you have lights on?' tick a YES! So a precaution…
What, so you will get blamed for distracting another road user and contributing to the collision?

I agree about how rare it is for police to question failed lights lately.

Re: Wrong way up a one way street.

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 September 2014 - 11:11pm
I don't see "Except cycles" as a solution to incomprehension of signs.

My understanding is that No Entry means No Entry, and No Vehicles means No Vehicles. These are different things. No Motor Vehicles is just a variation of No Vehicles that only, obviously, affects motor vehicles.

No Entry belongs in a place where, beyond the sign, there is typically free movement in multiple directions, and no particular restriction on vehicle types, but access is not allowed at that point, for example:

  • car parks, preventing people coming in the out or out the in, so to speak
  • two-way streets, as mentioned above, which have restrictions on access at one end - there's one round here which is a normal two-way residential street, from which you can turn out at the busy end, but turning in there isn't allowed, probably because it would be used as a short cut and cause traffic problems

Using No Entry with "Except cycles" in place of No Motor Vehicles would be wrong because, when I pass No Motor Vehicles on my bike, I should know that I'm not going to encounter cars coming the other way, at least for a bit. When I pass No Entry (Except cycles), I should expect the immediate possibility of meeting cars coming from other directions.

Using No Vehicles with "Except cycles" in place of No Motor Vehicles would be pointless, because I believe that No Motor Vehicles is better understood than No Vehicles anyway.

And both would be wrong because the alternatives have different consequences for horse-drawn carriages and so on.

Re: Non driving cyclists

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 September 2014 - 11:09pm
c53204 wrote:All road users should be aware of such things as the Highway Code - is that not the case. Removing the fact that the cyclist had no reason to know about motor vehicle regs, he thus had no reason to comment. Even less riding through a red light - now that he should be aware of.

Ride or drive on the road, the read the Highway Code and stick to the rules and laws when using the road - simples. The roads would be a lot better if everyone did.
Agreed that all road users should know the rules which apply to them. I implied from your titling the thread "Non driving cyclists" that you thought that whether somebody had a driving licence or not had some bearing on their behaviour as a cyclist.

Maybe the guy thought he was being helpful by reminding you that your lights were on? Misguided it may have been but I wouldn't hold it against somebody who was just trying to do a good deed. It would be sad if we refrained from simple acts of courtesy out of worry that some will tell us to mind our own business. I make a point of telling people if they have a light out if the situation arises. Most are grateful for the heads up.

Re: Non driving cyclists

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 September 2014 - 10:53pm
Some campaigns against - Lightmare, NMA, DaDRL.

I've no association with any of these, but I'm broadly in the "there's too much lighting already" camp. It seems obvious to me that distraction is a real risk when more is introduced.

Our 2011 Ford has DRLs with an off switch. I always switch it off.

Re: Non driving cyclists

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 September 2014 - 10:50pm
Daytime head and tail lights are indeed required by law in Canada for cars, but not for pick-up trucks (a classification which includes 4x4's, for some bizarre reason). As a cyclist who rides daily on country roads I love 'em — they show up instantly in my mirror and give me advance warning of overtaking traffic without my having to take a lot of attention off the road in front of me. I wish they were required on the damned 4x4's and small trucks that fill the traditional role of Audis and BMW's in making life unpleasant for cyclists on the Canadian prairies.

Re: Sustrans Route Planning

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 17 September 2014 - 10:40pm
The world has moved on, you can get the trails from www.Bikemap.net, though if you download the gpx file you may need software to stitch sections together.

Re: who will ride Vuelta a Espana 2014

CTC Forum - Racing - 17 September 2014 - 10:39pm
RickH wrote:NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Mercx is French....no.....figures...
He's Belgian actually (Wikipedia entry).

Didnt bother checking just guessed , But he might as well be due to the Standard that the UCI want hour attempts to adhere too, I believe its his bike they seem is the standard

http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/04/ ... les_324499

"Since 2000, the UCI set the official hour record based on what it called the “Merckx position,” using a similar track bike setup and geometry as Eddy Merckx used to set a record of 49.431km in 1972. That position does not allow aerodynamic modifications to handlebars, wheels, frames, position, or helmets."

"Cancellara’s plan to tackle the record was the first serious attempt in nearly a decade. The UCI’s strict rules took the luster off challenging the hour record, at least from a technological point of view. Others recently have expressed interest, including 2012 Tour de France winner Bradley Wiggins (Sky) and three-time world time trial champion Tony Martin (Omega Pharma-Quick Step)."

I.M.O. Martin is the man for the job.

Re: Non driving cyclists

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 September 2014 - 10:19pm
Vehicles I have seen where DRLs can be switched off:-
Skoda Yeti (2 years old)
Audi A6 (6 years old)
VW Transporter Van (newish)

BE careful about taking fuses out..they often serve more than one circuit - I had an old BMW where the indicators jammed on.. I thought I would remove the fuse, until I saw it also was attached to the brake lights!

Re: Non driving cyclists

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 September 2014 - 10:17pm
661-Pete wrote:I recollect, that when I hired a car in Sweden nearly 20 years ago, the car hire chap pointed out a switch on the fascia and moved it to the 'on' position. He warned me not to move that switch at any time, or I'd be breaking the law. DRLs were compulsory in Sweden, even back then.

The car was a Saab, IIRC; I can't remember what model. So back then, on some cars at least, it was possible to turn the DRL's off - presumably for driving in countries where it wasn't obligatory.

But of course a lot must have changed, since.

Back here in the UK: if I had a car with DRLs (my present one doesn't) and I disabled them by removing a fuse or something, with a view to saving energy - would I be breaking the law?
They weren't DRLs as we know them now, they were ordinary headlights. The Nordic countries compelled their use at all times long before European legislation.

Surprised to read above that DRLs can be turned off - can I ask which vehicles they are?

Re: South Downs Way on a touring bike ??

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 17 September 2014 - 9:40pm
I did it a few weeks ago on a fully ridged Steel mtb , with 2.5 inch tyres...it was fun but some of the rocky downhills left me with blurry vision, I wouldn't do it on a tourer if you paid me

Re: Rear rack safe on Fixie axle?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 17 September 2014 - 9:14pm
Look at all the old 3 speed hub bikes from the 50/60/70s and the rear carriers all fitted to the axle. Not a problem. In those years I did this many times with 3 speed hub or with fixed.

If I wanted to do that I would not drill out a modern rack, there is not enough material on most, I would simply make some adaptor plates. Or even buy them from freshtripe http://www.freshtripe.co.uk/freshtripe/ ... 10mm-3.jpg

Having said that, I assume you are credit card touring not kitchen sink camping, so I'd go with the others and say use P clips.

Re: Non driving cyclists

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 September 2014 - 8:25pm
How does OP know that the cyclist with whom he had the altercation is not also a car driver?

Re: Non driving cyclists

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 September 2014 - 8:21pm
JimL wrote:I see Steve has said they cannot be turned off . Is that really true?

Yeah that's the idea of them. They are on all the time.
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