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Re: Another cyclist death: left-turning lorry

CTC Forum - On the road - 59 min 15 sec ago
The fat commuter wrote:If you are riding along a straight road with no junctions, why would a vehicle turn left? Where are they going to turn, are they going to mount the pavement?

They do that all the time,it's called parking,you mount the pavement and park with two wheels on it,everyone does it
And there's no need to look on the nearside......

Re: Another cyclist death: left-turning lorry

CTC Forum - On the road - 1 hour 20 min ago
The fat commuter wrote:landsurfer wrote:I don't think the statement of being legal or not is an issue.
If a vehicle turns left, wheather legal, un-sited or careless your still dead if you go under it.
Fine, state your right to filter.
But you'll still be dead after the HGV rolls over your head, helmet ot not.
If you are riding along a straight road with no junctions, why would a vehicle turn left? Where are they going to turn, are they going to mount the pavement?

More to the point - a vehicle shouldn't move in any direction that it's driver can't see to be clear (note that this is alot stronger than can't see an obstruction)

Re: Another cyclist death: left-turning lorry

CTC Forum - On the road - 2 hours 10 min ago
landsurfer wrote:I don't think the statement of being legal or not is an issue.
If a vehicle turns left, wheather legal, un-sited or careless your still dead if you go under it.
Fine, state your right to filter.
But you'll still be dead after the HGV rolls over your head, helmet ot not.
If you are riding along a straight road with no junctions, why would a vehicle turn left? Where are they going to turn, are they going to mount the pavement?

Re: Route Help for Ealing (W5) to Slough (SL1)

CTC Forum - On the road - 2 hours 32 min ago
Sounds like a nice setup you have available

Is the intention to ride most days? 18 miles each way is a signifiant commute. I idly note that there appears to be a fairly convenient train line which might suffice for one direction?

Re: Wild camping in England ???

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 2 hours 51 min ago
beardy wrote:wild camping in England is a banned subject because it IS illegal.


If you are thinking of lighting a real fire then that is where the real problem lies. .

This tolerant and mild mannered English landowner (who despises the English anti access laws) will turn into the worst get orf moi land propriatorial git at the very hint of a fire. No fire, you would get a cup of tea if discovered, fire - you are off, and I would consider it to be an act of criminal damage (doubt the law would back me, see Gipsy comments).

Scotland is great, but needs the law tightened up to protect lovely places from fire marks or worse.

I have yet to have any problems when touring in England, and as said upthread, the folk out and about early and late are walking dogs, dog walkers find me nearly every time. Late pitching and up early is the usual tactic. Much easier in Scotland of course.

Re: Garmin eTrex help needed

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 2 hours 52 min ago
You could use a paper map instead of the gps for the 12 days which are least navigationally challenging.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 3 hours 6 min ago
danhopgood wrote:Three points come to my mind on this situation, other than the lorry driver was being cheeky and where's the enforcement? :

1 Look how many cyclists are in front of the stop line waiting to go ahead. Breach of Legislation & HC 175. Cyclists fail. Where's the enforcement?

2 Look how many cyclists go on red and amber. You can only move ahead of the STOP LINE on a green light. Breach of Legislation & HC 176. Cyclists fail again. Where's the enforcement?

3 I wonder about the psychology of the situation. Looks like "grand prix start" mentality is a factor here. Could be that in the mind of the lorry head butting cyclist is more "I've timed this red light just right - I'm going to sail past these losers"? Could it be that was what distracted him?

Those are three very good and certainly accurate points.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 3 hours 29 min ago
2. The lorry was at the stop line when the light phase was already changing for the cyclists, given the width of the junction this would indicate that the lights had already being on red for a good 3-4 seconds and amber for longer.
3. The cyclist whilst beyond the stop line (as were many others) had not gone 'through' the lights or the junction before the lights went green.
Yes, but these aren't really facts are they. You don't know & I don't know how long the lights for the lorry have been red. If it is a good 3-4 seconds then both the taxi & the boris bike have also jumped the lights. You are just making a supposition and there is no evidence for it. Secondly: The cyclist has gone through the lights on red. Not only has he passed over the solid white line (which is what the legal offence technically is) but the light you can see is a repeater. It is the second of two lights with the first one being on the stop line mounted on the lamp post. If you want to be pedantic about it, if he isn't past the repeater while it is still on red & amber then he is inches away from doing so. So as people keep saying: They both jumped the lights.

My take on it is that what the lorry does is, sadly, not unusual and anyone riding in a large urban area will see motor vehicles doing that many times a day. It does not excuse what he does, It is still ilegal, but it is hardly out of the ordinary. What the cyclist does, however, is not what one might expect to see. To completely ignore a large vehicle, which is clearly continuing across the junction in plain view, just isn't 'normal'. It takes two to make an accident, but I know which of the two protagonists behaviour I am most surprised by.

Re: Weight distribution.

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 4 hours 19 min ago
Tasmania '88. Not too bad at all.Wombats.jpg


Helmsdale JOGLE '94.
My first foray with four panniers.Helmsdale.jpg
My bike felt like a tank, so the next time I went off touring, I bought a trailer.

Re: Cyclists are treated as if they are staionary.

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 hours 13 min ago
GrumpyGit wrote:OK, I know I learned to drive a very long time ago (my provisional licence was in Latin) but I was taught that when passing another vehicle you only pull back into the nearside lane when you can see the passed vehicle in your rear view mirror. How hard can it be?

Much of the behaviour I witness on a daily basis makes me question the way drivers are trained these days. If I was running the country our roads would be less crowded because it would be much harder to get a driving license in the first place (I'd include a test of candidates mental attitude, any sign of short temper / road-rage = no licence) and I'd revoke licences for offences such as mobile phone use, tailgating, applying makeup, shaving, reading the newspaper and many many more things. I could easily take 20% of drivers (and their vehicles) off the road thereby curing congestion.

I always was a liberal softie

Absolutely! Driving should be treated properly as something which requires skill and expertise and only to be undertaken by people with the required skillsets and atttitude. At the moment driving is seen as a right, which it is not.

If you can't pass a tough driving test well there's always cycling.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 hours 13 min ago
More than one post has already been removed from this thread. If the slanging match continues, the thread will be locked or removed.

As for the word 'crap', it has generally been considered acceptable on this forum. However, please refrain from using it to describe other member's posts and opinions.

Thanks.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 hours 23 min ago
Tonyf33 wrote:So it seems okay for the mods to remove my response to being sworn at by a poster who lost their temper yet are not interested in modifying swearing..nice one, that seems fair!

I'm not sure 'crap' is a swear word - but then I'm from the north and we're more uncouth and say what we think up here.
Tonyf33 wrote:Actual real facts:
1. there was a massive gap of over 20 metres, that's not consistent with being in the same 'convoy' of traffic, in any case that's irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant though is it? Nor is it 20 meters, the distance between the Boris bike and the lorry is probably less than 10 (the lorry is probably less than 40' and another wouldn't come close to fitting in the gap).
Anyway the length of the gap is irrelevant, at the point the lorry enters the junction there's a taxi bang in the middle and a Boris bike behind that. Not only does he have all the time in the world to realise the lorry isn't going to stop but 3 vehicles are currently traversing the junction including the one he's about to collide with.

Incidentally the speed of the lorry through the lights is approximately 15mph - not 25-30 like your previously deleted rant suggested. He was tailgating a cyclist on a Boris bike through. Don't know about you but 25-30 mph on the flat on a Boris bike!?

Lets actually tell it how it happened. Forget lorries and bicycles.

Two people jump red lights and collide in the middle of a junction. Common sense tells you they're both guilty.
One of those two also ignored the highway code advice that you should only enter a junction when the way is clear. That obviously makes one of the two more liable.
Therefore at best he's more liable than the lorry driver and given the level of idiocy required to miss a truck - well lets just say I'm a fan of Darwinism.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 hours 38 min ago
So it seems okay for the mods to remove my response to being sworn at by a poster who lost their temper yet are not interested in modifying swearing..nice one, that seems fair!


Actual real facts:
1. there was a massive gap of over 20 metres, that's not consistent with being in the same 'convoy' of traffic, in any case that's irrelevant.
2. The lorry was at the stop line when the light phase was already changing for the cyclists, given the width of the junction this would indicate that the lights had already being on red for a good 3-4 seconds and amber for longer.
3. The cyclist whilst beyond the stop line (as were many others) had not gone 'through' the lights or the junction before the lights went green.
4. the cyclist was an idiot for riding into the side of the lorry
5. A vehicle crossing a junction when ordered by the lights to stop IS DANGEROUS, in a large vehicle such as the lorry here it is a death waiting to happen..

Whatever your viewpoint of what happened and clearly some are distorted as to the plain facts there is no excuse whatsoever for the actions of the lorry.

Re: Garmin eTrex help needed

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 hours 48 min ago
A small USB stick (or an adaptor that lets your microSD card in the GPS be used as a USB.)

Load the .gpx files on that along with some software that allows the computer to talk to your GPS.

You are going to have to get access to a computer where you will be allowed to install a Garmin Plugin, Mapsource, Basemap or GpsBabel in order to be able to transfer files into that part of the GPS which can use them. If they are not already on the computer.

There is probably room for all of this on your mapping microSD card but dont do that if you are not confident of not disturbing the mapping files (if you alter them they get locked so you can not use them, you can not even copy them).

I carry alternative mapping cards in my wallet, they are so small that your problem is not losing them.


Or you can upgrade to an Etrex 30 which can talk to other units and carry more than enough tracks anyway.

Re: Route Help for Ealing (W5) to Slough (SL1)

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 hours 53 min ago
I've not seen that route finder before, thanks!

That's taking me down the canal paths too I think (using my phone at the moment).

Yeah the bike will be indoors near security - so won't even need to carry a lock, can leave clothes in my drawer and take a shower - I've got no excuses not cycle in really, bar finding a route!

Re: Garmin eTrex help needed

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 hours 56 min ago
Best thing to do would be to combine a few of the days(turn 2 days into 1 track) so that you get under the 20.

You'll probably have to filter these new tracks too to get them under the 500 track points otherwise they won't load (you get a warning track/route truncated)

Have fun

Re: Chromebook for touring?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 hours 59 min ago
Yes, I was thinking of a laptop gradually taking the place of my Windows PC, taking up less space, simplifying things and freeing up some desk space in our house. I tried out Remote Desktop because its there. The Epson scanner I have only works with the PC. No real need to access it via the Chromebook at present, although I can. And I can access the scanner on my printer via Wifi directly from the Chromebook although that scanner is not as good as the Epson. A 128 Gb SD card is £35 if its needed. I shant be needing one 16Gb is more than enough for my modest usage. You can get Chromebooks with bigger SSDs. You just have to get out of the mindset that everythings on your HDD, mines in the cloud in several places. But as you say, thats not much good for large maps. Those go on my phone anyway. Getting a laptop out on the road would be somewhat inconvenient.

Al

Re: Another cyclist death: left-turning lorry

CTC Forum - On the road - 6 hours 5 min ago
The same applies to countless situations like.... say, picking one as an example... red light jumping. Where are all the calls saying people on bikes are at fault for not giving way to motor vehicles that pass red and no-one should expect the police to catch RLJers or cameras to be installed or similar?

Re: Route Help for Ealing (W5) to Slough (SL1)

CTC Forum - On the road - 6 hours 11 min ago
For 18 miles I'd be tempted to try the road bike - do you have somewhere at work to leave bits and pieces?

Re: Route Help for Ealing (W5) to Slough (SL1)

CTC Forum - On the road - 6 hours 14 min ago
http://cycle.travel/map?from=w54pa&to=sl14aa
provides an interesting looking route. Normally better than the usual suspects (who assume you are in a slow car)
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